@drtbkj I found a solution to install sst,There is no new STT on the Saitek website, there is SD6 software which should generally contain STT, but it does not install. There is a way to do this that Zefir gave me.
You need to unpack the soft.exe installer with any program and then select the setup software_loc_9.msi file and install it.After running …software_loc_9.msi, you must then run setup.exe from the same directory as …software_loc_9.msi. Some Magic Bus with Magic Keyboard and Magic mouse will be installed. After all this, the profile works and the button names can be seen on the throttle pen.It was on the Polish forum, maybe it will be useful to someone

@PRNDL said in Saitek X65F & BMS Alternative Launcher:

Falcon BMS uses Falcon 4, but it’s fine.

BMS doesn’t use Falcon4 to be precise, it just required to have Falcon4 installed other than that BMS is completely independent from the base game

I know a lot of threads and post suggest to use the generic hid driver, but to be honest my Saitek X65F runs since years on the Saitek_X65F_Flight_Controller_7_0_53_6_x64_Drivers without any issues

@airtex2019 thanks. But I still don’t understand. Do I need to install the saitek windows 10 software or not, for windows 11?

@GR_Macedon
Do you know how to revert the registry to the previous setting?
Do you have a file for that as well?

I’ve got some notes here
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/26816/saitek-x65f-bms-alternative-launcher/

I’ve uninstalled the Saitek drivers and deleted them from the hard drive. That makes it use the generic HID drivers. Only the latest Saitek driver worked, and it’s decades old.

@m1tp2king said in X52 pro and mode switch:

Hi. So I am new to bms. In the joystick programing software of bms, can I use the mode switch ( 1, 2 or 3) to have loads and loads of possibilities?.
Or can I use the software from saitek? If I choose the saitek software will it work no problem?
What about the pinkie switch (that doubles each button)?
Can the bms software utilise that?

The very best way to program X52 Pro is through the integrated Alternative Launcher or through manual DirectX keybinds file configuration. You can use the pinky switch in this way to double each button like you asked, but the Saitek software should be used sparingly and only as needed.

In my X52 Pro Falconeer profile setup, I only use the Saitek profile to change the mouse ministick to the arrow keys to move the radar cursor in-game using the ‘binds’ method, and to get the slider on the throttle to behave as a variable speed brake control (where resting in the center halts movement fore or aft).

Check it out if you want some ideas on what the X52 Pro can be configured to (with some work), or if you wanna just use the profile straight away, it provides options for just the X52 Pro, or with use alongside Thrustmaster MFD’s, and/or a Razer Tartarus gaming keypad as an ICP, and with or without TrackIR support.

Best wishes and good luck, whatever you decide! 🍻
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/19815/semlerpdx-s-x52-pro-falconeer-hotas-profile-for-bms-4-35

Hi, how do you bind two buttons on one key??

@SoBad Hi, SoBad. Like Snake, I didn’t use the mode switch as designed back in the 65 days. However, as this was early-AL, I did use a combined approach where I did mostly AL but some SST. I wonder what would happen if you used the new AL to achieve 2 of your desired mode(with shifting) and set the other 2 in another of the 65’s modes?

Just updated to Falcon 4.37 v 3 and while flying, nothing responds any longer any of the assigned buttons, e.g. speed brakes, or wheel brakes of my Saitek X52.

I used the key file editor (BMS-Key-File-Editor.xls), converted it to an xlsm file. Normally, this should work. But not this time.

This is what I get if I go into the config screen: keyfile

When I press a button, it returns: No Function Assigned.

Please advise.

@airtex2019 that would be very beneficial since I looked ‘hi-n-lo’ for this lil gem that would make the DX assignments in ‘Shifted’ layer that much easier. When I couldn’t find it, I sifted through all the other .key files and found one. When I used this, it ‘Auto’ populated the “BMS - Auto.key” file (which I then learned was the ‘Master’ .key file) - who would have known this? Later when I returned to the AL to include other key bindings, I couldn’t find the “STICK: PINKY SWITCH (DX SHIFT)” but that was “Ok” since the “Shift” function used with the ‘physical’ joystick pinky switch still worked in reassigning new DX keystrokes. 👍

If you need an extra set of ‘application specific’ software development skills - I’m at your disposal since I recently completed my Software Eng Cert through the Univ of Ottawa!

Thx again for your inputs - much appreciated!

@Louis-0 the guid and product/vendor id string are in DeviceDefaults.txt if you need it but … won’t BMS (and/or Alt Launcher) automatically re-add the missing lines to DeviceSorting.txt, for you?

(I might be misunderstanding you.)

@Louis-0 said in X52pro DX button profile via Keymapping.:

@Diguelo said in X52pro DX button profile via Keymapping.:

Its worked since first taking to the air the year the X52 was first made and still works using this method today.

Hello Diguelo,
You seem to have the knack to use profiles made with SST. Can you let me in this secret? I am unable to overcome a problem.

Was there any reason you didn’t want to use (or modify) any of the existing X52 Pro profiles and control setups available for download here already? I certainly can appreciate a challenge, but it does seem a little painful to reinvent the wheel in this manner. The included Alternative Launcher makes things SO much easier, to make that point again, too. Just saying I’d sooner do a lot of things before trying to make a joystick profile of keypresses only unless there was very good reason. More power to you, just want you to know there are easier ways and existing ready-to-use profiles.

Hi Everyone,
I made profiles in SST all in mode1, right klick the little joystick in bottom right, select a profile, the name of the profile appears on the MFD, in BMS UI button responses are negative, in game the buttons are doing either nothing or something different from the programmed responses and especially the macros do nothing.
I want to use SST and for the time being not interested in other progs. Any suggestions what is wrong and how to make it good?

@NIL
I take your point NIL. I have started just recently after stopped sailing and selected bms as the best, because flying and sailing has the same working principle. However, only lot of practice make good pilot or good sailor. If I get bogged down and study (and bms has a library) instead of flying my start-up may become counterproductive. So in my view you should get into air a.s.a.p. and study on the way. One may not want to start learning what an expert F16 pilot can do but rather want to practice. As an example he can land with 100% certainty under any conditions even without electronics. Anyway, that is why I want to have 4-5 specific profiles and change them in flight instead of immediately begin studying how to have a 4 layer DX binded profile. I have these 5 profiles made but bms does not recognise them. I am asking for help what have I done wrong and how to get good. Thanks for your comment.

@Louis-0 I understand perfectly and if I knew anything about SST I would try and help. Best of luck accomplishing your goal!

@airtex2019 Thank you very much.

I testet with VKB Joy Tester (a smart tip), and can confirm it looks like a hardware problem. Both the radar cursor left/right and radar hight adjust only works when throttle is moved towards 85-90 %.
I guess i have to find a proper screwdriver and cleaner…

Thank you for leeding me into the right path 🙂

@StrykeOz The new integrated Alternative Launcher is absolutely fabulous! Glad you got it working! The keyfile loaded in BMS Setup > Controllers should always remain set as the last item which was loaded, such as my Falconeer profile, and should never clear or set differently when closing BMS and opening it once again. This is a technical issue that I’m not aware of, and should be reported if others are experiencing it, too.

Regardless, I’m happy you found the blank X52 graphic useful, and got yourself set back up to fly again. Best wishes and take care!! ☕

For my X-55, I have my gun trigger directly bound to “second detent”.
Whenever I need the first detent, I use the keyboard for this.

@VIPER-0 Thanks Viper. You convinced me and shall give it a try when I have some time. Thanks again.