Cannot Laze . getting T not an L letter during gbu drop . need help please.
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Did you really read the training manual? You cannot say that the manual is not well done if you don’t read it. And if you read it, you will find the answer. Be fair !
I have NO problem to help as much as possible. But don’t say that the manual is not well done when the answers can be find easily in it. -
wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please
Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician I appreciate the work thats been done. I really do. The way the manuals been set out could have been more helpful for returnees. Not just for a closed club of fans who have been here all along. DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems. So how about cutting new players some slack and help them out. Rather that just pointing to the manuals or bitching about how impertinent they are besmirching your great game.
@Red:
The manuals are all in your Docs folder.
Please understand we spend thousands of hours on these manuals and we would like you to use them.
We understand the way forum media works and it may be easier to ask rather than to look for yourself but you are not always giving the best service to yourself or to other simmers doing so.When you answer a question, ensure you have the RIGHT information. Or point to the manual.
The moderation team will specifically points to manuals whenever a question can be easily answered in the manuals.
We will also NOT tolerate anymore links to outdated documentation leading to user’s confusion. That’s a thing of the past now.Expect a lot of kind RTFM to be posted. learn to take them and learn to use the manuals
Thanks and enjoy BMS
That does a good job of summing it up, I think. Incidentally, the new info in this case was in several places. You could have found it in the training manual had you read that, or you could have found it in the avionics manual (page 91) had you read that…
You have a bit of gall, calling us touchy, after basically saying that you need it to be in an online tutorial for you to be able to parse it.
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Well, to be honest I haven’t read a lot of the new stuff yet, but one of the very first things I came across when skimming through the manuals was exactly this laser thing. So not really hard to find at all.
Plus, I don’t see how they could’ve made it any easier for returnees (I am one myself…): they made a set of training missions with a manual that’s clearly labelled “Training” and follows in the exact style of the original Falcon 4.0 manual. -
wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please
Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician I appreciate the work thats been done. I really do. The way the manuals been set out could have been more helpful for returnees. Not just for a closed club of fans who have been here all along. DCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems. So how about cutting new players some slack and help them out. Rather that just pointing to the manuals or bitching about how impertinent they are besmirching your great game.
We point to the manuals because whenever you will have a new question, you will then first try to look up the manuals before posting. Some people spent a great deal of time and efforts making them, so the least you can do is respect their efforts.
Red Dog did answer you right away with the solution to your problem, while he’s the most entitled to tell you to RTFM.
Reading the training manual section LGB, I can see twice the info about setting laser to combat (one in the very first page of the LGB training mission, so easy to find), and in the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1, all I have to do is make a search on “laser” to get the info.
As a reminder :
- BMS-Manual is about the general knowledge on the sim itself : how to instal/configure/etc…
- BMS-training is about the training missions - and are an excellent way to learn a new system.
- TO-BMS1F-16CM-1 is about basic aircraft systems, cockpit, and basic procedures.
- TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 is about avionics and weapons employment.
About the “talk about non-intuitive” thing : well, ask Lockheed Martin, not us.
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Hi and Welcome Silent One!
I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help.
Now it is a great help … because now relevent manuals does existe which wasn’t the case in previous version.
Im supposed to guess that a new bit of info on weapon deployment is going to be in a folder called training missions? How am I supposed to know that Im not a magician .
Indeed , you can’t (except by watching the launcher’s menu wher you can see Docs and maybe figure out that it means “Documentations”) … and this is why we are pointing those manuals, so now, you know that valuable informations are available into those manuals.
Now you knwo where to find the manuals, I guees you know how to read a “Table of content” or using the search feature of your favorite PDF reader … then you are go to try to find the answer by yourself whithout ask ppl here to copy/past the manual on this thread for you.
If you still do not find the info or do not understand, we will of course do our best to try to explain what you didn’t understood.
But first reflex must be => Manuals and docs. anytime some ppl will come with a question, we will point the answer in the manual first (if possible, by giving a chapter reference, or a page … etc …) More explnanations will be given IF answer is not in manual or incomplet or …
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wtf guys. I started a thread asking for some help . What I get is " read the manual" That with all due respect isnt a great help. As I can see from the touchy individuals here . Not a real friendly community I see. How dare I complain? Get real please
Yes because the manuals have all the answers you need. If you took the time to read the Sniper section then you will know that you needed to switch laser to combat in order to guide LGBs.
I’m not even getting into the argument about the details, this is as real as we could get it in the 4.33 scope, and we will keep going out and looking for real, not good for you? so maybe it’s not the sim for youDCS A10c isnt exactly easy to pick up ether . But at least the manuals set up logically to learn the systems.
I just love it when people are saying something but not explaining anything actually… if you have complains about the manuals structure, you are welcome to open a thread about it and explain EXACTLY what you don’t like or what you think can be improved.
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I am very happy with that aspect of the manuals actually. 4.32’s “dash 34” did not live up to the name. 4.33 is MUCH better in this regard.
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Just posting to say that the manuals in 4.33 are a massive improvement compared to previous versions.
A BIG thanks to all involved, really makes it much easier to get back into Falcon.
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Just posting to say that the manuals in 4.33 are a massive improvement compared to previous versions.
A BIG thanks to all involved, really makes it much easier to get back into Falcon.
+1
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Yes because the manuals have all the answers you need. If you took the time to read the Sniper section then you will know that you needed to switch laser to combat in order to guide LGBs.
With respect, once upon a time, an internet forum was regarded as an excellent source of information too. Especially one dedicated to the subject matter, as this one is. “RTFM”, especially for someone who is new to the subject, can and very often does come across a less than helpful, and even downright rude.
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Yep, but if we need to copy paste two pages of details that are already in the manual, do you imagine the time waste?
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Yep, but if we need to copy paste two pages of details that are already in the manual, do you imagine the time waste?
Perhaps what is needed is an in-between, where all the training info can be summarised in a sticky thread. Give the newbie the bare bones info, with a reference to the relevant page number of the relevant manual at the end of the post? A Nuggets Guide, similar to as was in the F4 forum at Frugals all those years back.
Agree it means a fair bit of work to begin with, but if all the community chipped in with their own little bit of expertise, it wouldn’t take too long before it grew into a useful online resource.
After that, if newbie still asked questions, RTFM (and more besides) would be much more relevant…
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“RTFM”, especially for someone who is new to the subject, can and very often does come across a less than helpful, and even downright rude.
But he didn’t get a RTFM response. Red Dog immediately responded with:
you need to go back to the manuals I’d suggest taking the LGB training mission and the associated training manual chapter
My guess: Your laser is not combatHis response told him where to go to find the answer and even pointed towards the laser setting. From what i’ve seen over the last week, most RTFM responses from the BMS team have been accompanied with a at least the manual to consult and many have included a page reference.
People have to expect to do at least SOME work when learning a sim as complicated as this. It’s just not practical for the devs/community to keep responding to every question when the time has already been spent to develop updated manuals. If you can’t be bothered to spend 5 minutes looking through a manual don’t be surprised that no one is interested in spending 5 minutes to spoon-feed you.
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Event in a sticky topic, it will never be enought I think. How many people ask for something in the article in the website? Or in the FAQ? Way to many.
Sadly, you can prepare the best doc ever (and I think the one in the 4.33 is like that), you will always have bunch of guys that prefered to post somethings as ask to somebody to spend 20 min of copying an information already existed, than just check the manual givin IN the default install. -
If you can’t be bothered to spend 5 minutes looking through a manual don’t be surprised that no one is interested in spending 5 minutes to spoon-feed you.
You miss my point! Some newbies might not have the first clue where to start looking! You have to remember some people might be totally new to combat flight sim altogether!
While I don’t disagree with you - some effort should be expended on the OP’s part - some consideration needs to be given the OP’s status also. Some people might not have any idea what a Sniper pod is (as an example). All I am saying here is we cannot just assume people are too lazy, and want to be spoon-fed. Some people might need a little more help than others, that’s all. For sure, some will be too lazy and that’s it, but they will soon be sussed and treated appropriately - this I have no issue with.
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Gentlemen, let’s calm down here
Yes, the first step when you encounter a problem should be to look around in the manuals. And yes, the doc and the sheer amount of stuff to handle can be intimidating.
So let’s be tolerant of each other - both the expert when addressing a new guy (like RD was), and the new guy when the expert tells him to look in the doc
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These manuals that have been included in the docs folder are my bibles. I read and re-read them. If I find my self with an issue that I can’t seem to understand, then I will ask around within my network of friends here on the forum. If that is not possible to get my issues sorted out, then I use the knowhow in this forum. No one should be afraid to ask.
From my position as a commander of a virtual wing, this is also something that I teach my pilots, read the manuals, if you have any questions during the reading, then ask. But reading these masterpieces is a must for every sim pilot that wants to fly BMS. Imagine if this sim with all the docs were not free and one had to purchase this.
So in respect of the many people that have spent so much time to provide us all with a free to use world class sim and not to get ones head into them, well?
Just my 2 cents
Greetings
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A quick search of the word, laser, in the PDF manuals works pretty good. I find that for most topics that I am curious about with this sim. These new docs are very well put together.
I have found over the years that the more I know, the more i have to read through things that i already know to find those little things that i don’t. Be patient.