[Solved, no bug] Weird TFR bug(?) in 4.33
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Yep, it’s not a bug rather than an ID10T error.
Anyway, I’ve only stumbled on a similar post in the “4.33 feedback” thread after I’ve solved my problem.
Thanks for the input anyway. Hope my blunder and this discussion will prevent new threads on the subject.
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Might be an “idiot” error but it’s kinda unusual to not being able to quickly ( without knowing the F16 in depth ) shut the mouth of Betty. I know that I spend a entire mission with that … yelling at me the first time I wanted to try it
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Its easy to shut her up. Just make use of the VMS inhibit switch.
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I found automatic FLY UP to be very persistent so I added keyboard “A” to toggle the ATF button. If I want to discontinue a fly up because of an error I hold AP DISC paddle, press “A”, and then I sort the problem before reengage. Normal FLY UP without long term error it is enough just to hold AP DISC paddle and fly to acceptable parameters before releasing paddle to resume.
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I found automatic FLY UP to be very persistent so I added keyboard “A” to toggle the ATF button. If I want to discontinue a fly up because of an error I hold AP DISC paddle, press “A”, and then I sort the problem before reengage. Normal FLY UP without long term error it is enough just to hold AP DISC paddle and fly to acceptable parameters before releasing paddle to resume.
you should not have any fly up in auto except in case of system failure, bad pilot input or Rain…
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The difference is “latched” vs. “unlatched” and I was experiencing a latched flyup when doing the training TE procedure which includes inducing failures. Terrain related fly ups should be the unlatched variety which don’t persist and simply AP paddle suspension and release should resume just fine.
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JP is 100% correct about flyup’s. May I add that in real life, an aircraft or forward launched weapons within the TFR ground scan will cause a flyup.
In the case of the SWIM flyup’s there is a small bug. Radar altimeter bad data are taken into account even if the jet out out of theTFR pitch and roll limits. Known issue -
so whenever u perform a loft or roll&pull with TFR u get WARN sign and failures because of this bug,correct?
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Not a bug to get a TF warning if you fly outside TF parameters when TF is functioning, just normal simulation of reality.
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so, whenever u exceed the TFR limits for an attack or defence, u get all the warnings like TF fail,swim fail, nvp fail?
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so, whenever u exceed the TFR limits for an attack or defence, u get all the warnings like TF fail,swim fail, nvp fail?
Yes. Hence the importance of the Paddle Switch to inhibit autopilot operation and all the TFR Warnings.
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it still shows the WARN even if u have paddle switch depressed while overbanking/inverted.
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AP paddle just disconnects the TFR (or AP) from controlling the airplane surfaces. The TFR system continues to behave the same regardless if the autopilot is connected or not (it doesn’t know). Warnings normal to maneuvering are “non-latched” meaning they will go away when the condition stops and TFR can be resumed by letting go of the paddle.
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it still shows the WARN even if u have paddle switch depressed while overbanking/inverted.
There is a bug where the SWIM flyup cause by bad RALT data kicks in, when the TFR is out of limits. Known issue……
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thanks to all for the replies
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back again
say you want to loft an LGB while on TFR and after the release you want to have a 3-5 degs dive so as to work on the TGP.While u paddle switch the TFR comes back on but puts you in a 12 degs dive(and A/P off since u have a TF fail). Is this because of this bug? -
TF FAIL doesn’t necessarily turn it off; it provides a protection flyup. If you suspend TFR with AP paddle and then plan to release the AP paddle not being in TFR limits you should turn off the ADV Mode pushbutton while the AP paddle is held.
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what u say happens automatically as soon as u get a TF fail.AMS off and consequently A/P off. What i cant get to work is the Vol5 low alt attack with TFR pg 276-a final technique-. since i dont know the ‘known’ bugs im getting really bummed about tactical use of TFR
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The difference is “latched” vs. “unlatched” and I was experiencing a latched flyup when doing the training TE procedure which includes inducing failures. Terrain related fly ups should be the unlatched variety which don’t persist and simply AP paddle suspension and release should resume just fine.
What does “latched” and “unlatched” mean?
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It’s a description of behavior.
Latched is like an electric circuit breaker in a home. If a fault causes the circuit breaker to open the circuit then it remains open circuit even if the fault condition is no longer true. Reverting this “latched” event requires a separate positive action different than what caused latching to occur.
Non-latching is when the system changes state by some condition and will revert to the original state simply by removing the condition. An example is pressing a door buzzer. You press button, buzzer sound. To make buzzer silent simply stop pressing buzzer button