How are getting HUD to look like this in the Bug?
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Same as ever …… Center TIR, then lean back and recenter TIR.
Even then it doesn’t all fit … the bottom and some of the right side is still cutoff for me. Part of that has to do with how far you lean back when you recenter the TIR - if you lean back ‘too far’ the projection might be too small to read if your eyes aren’t great - but part of it has to do with the HUD/Projection size in the Hornet.
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Off subject, but nice formation flying!
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OK-3…nice flying.
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OK-3…nice flying.
Except he spotted the deck.
…joking, without a functional Fresnel, there is no choice.
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what do you mean by “spotted the deck?”
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what do you mean by “spotted the deck?”
Correct USN carrier trapping procedure is to follow the optical landing system right down to the deck, spotting the deck means you have taken your eyes off the meatball, usually at the ramp, and looked directly at the deck. Problem with that being that it usually induses landing short, say a 1 wire or worse, a wave off when the LSO sees you’re spotting. Spotting will get you disqualified for carrier ops quickly.
One of the best books I have read on the topic…
http://www.amazon.com/Bogeys-Bandits-Making-Fighter-Pilot/dp/0140264124
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…joking, without a functional Fresnel, there is no choice.
It ‘works’, but you just can’t see it until you’re practically on top of it. IF that gets fixed (if it’s even ‘fixable’) a lot of people are going have a hard time breaking the habit of spotting the deck.
A little low at the ramp:
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It ‘works’, but you just can’t see it until you’re practically on top of it. IF that gets fixed (if it’s even ‘fixable’) a lot of people are going have a hard time breaking the habit of spotting the deck.
A little low at the ramp:
Yep. Fsx vrs rhino with vlso I have 500 traps with a functional meatball and still spot the deck at times.
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Except he spotted the deck.
…joking, without a functional Fresnel, there is no choice.
Cut me some slack it was my first carrier landing in the Hornet jk. I was shocked I even caught a wire.
It’s funny because in the video Agave Blue (Flounder) says something like “abeam, gear down, hook down, 4.6”. Having never done a carrier landing before I had no idea what the 4.6 meant (his fuel) so I just repeated the same thing. Later Agave was like “you had the same exact fuel as me?”
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…low and fast…and off center. None of where you want to be, nice simulation. The real trick is hitting the numbers - altitudes - from the downwind, at the 180, and 90…and maintaining on-speed. Better slow than fast, particularly if your line-up is off…as this trap points out. The wire is set for your gross weight and being fast is like adding trap weight. If you hit the numbers and stay on-speed you can ignore the lens for the most part…especially if you’re using needles.
And being properly trimmed helps…lots - even more so than in the Viper. Dang…now I gotta fire up VRS and evaluate…the sim does look good.
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Dang…now I gotta fire up VRS and evaluate…the sim does look good.
It’s good for trapping and flying anywhere in the world. But there’s no combat jet AI. So its lonely. And FSX MP sux.
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Cut me some slack it was my first carrier landing in the Hornet jk. I was shocked I even caught a wire.
It’s funny because in the video Agave Blue (Flounder) says something like “abeam, gear down, hook down, 4.6”. Having never done a carrier landing before I had no idea what the 4.6 meant (his fuel) so I just repeated the same thing. Later Agave was like “you had the same exact fuel as me?”
Yes - 4.6 is his fuel state. The wire brake is set according to aircraft type and gross weight, so if the external config is known then the quickest call is fuel remaining…so the call might be something like “Stinger 06, Hornet ball, three green, hook down, 4.6”. Sometimes it’s “state 4.6”. I forget if/where a call as to gross weight is made…somewhere the bring-back has to be accounted for to set the wire, after that it’s noodled per fuel burned.
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It’s good for trapping and flying anywhere in the world. But there’s no combat jet AI. So its lonely. And FSX MP sux.
Sounds like my time in the T-45A sim at Navy Kings - not really much combat fun to be had, so I did lots and lots of daylight CV approaches, traps, and bolters…I learned the wrong way, initially…because I have enough private pilot time to know how to spot land - and the T45A didn’t have a Velocity Vector in the HUD, so I was getting aboard strictly with my eyeballs and maintaining on-speed…never could figure out how to use the meatball…until recently. Would always divert ashore if they put me in the dark…night CV ops are scary…I knew how to use a TACAN…and where my divert bounce and home plate were…
Only thing worse than an off-center trap is an in-flight trap - even in the trainer that one watered my eyes. This is how I learned about proper trim and not changing attitude on the go-around. You trim to an attitude, maintain on-speed, hit the numbers, and control sink rate with throttle. This even works in the Viper. Anyways, I made the mistake of checking stick on a bolter once and caught a 3 wire - snatched me right out of the sky and onto the deck. Dead. All because I lowered my hook by lowering my tail…never did that again.
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All because I lowered my hook by lowering my tail…never did that again.
Yessir, also why you don’t abort at the ramp by pitching up but, rather, by going to “GQ” on throttles.
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Yessir, also why you don’t abort at the ramp by pitching up but, rather, by going to “GQ” on throttles.
Yup. I always go to max power at touchdown no matter what, and if the wire stops me then I pull the power off as the roll back slows.
BTW…did you ever get an answer to you original question about full HUD symbology? If you have the option for REJ modes, the switch needs to be in NORM.
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Cut me some slack it was my first carrier landing in the Hornet jk. I was shocked I even caught a wire.
It’s funny because in the video Agave Blue (Flounder) says something like “abeam, gear down, hook down, 4.6”. Having never done a carrier landing before I had no idea what the 4.6 meant (his fuel) so I just repeated the same thing. Later Agave was like “you had the same exact fuel as me?”
viper pukes……;)
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If you hit the numbers and stay on-speed you can ignore the lens for the most part…especially if you’re using needles.
Absolutely not. You strive for altitude benchmarks at the 90, the 45, and rolling into the groove but once you are in the groove it is almost always a visual approach using the ball unless you’re clara ball. IRL inside 1/2 mile the ICLS needles are extremely inaccurate and can’t be used for accurate landing guidance.
You are probably thinking of the ACLS needles which are not used for Case 1/2 recoveries. Flying a Mode I ACLS approach (AP coupled to ACLS all the way to trap with ATC APP enabled) is relatively rare in the fleet. Mode IA is more common in which the AP is disconnected at the ball call and the rest of the pass is flown manually, although ATC can remain enabled at the discretion of the squadron CO.
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I wonder if we will a functional ICLS in BMS…
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so the call might be something like “Stinger 06, Hornet ball, three green, hook down, 4.6”
Ball calls are no longer made with full callsign or gear/hook down callouts as this is done at the abeam call. The method used currently is MODEX, TYPE, BALL, FUEL STATE which would be something like:
“206 Hornet ball, 4.6.”
The aircraft types are Hornet(Legacy Hornet), Rhino (Super Hornet), Grizzly (Growler) Prowler, Hawkeye, and Greyhound
Sometimes it’s “state 4.6”
AFAIK state calls are only made to CATCC when declaring low state when entering Freedom Marshall and there IS a difference between that call and the fuel state call you make at the ball but I can’t remember off the top of my head what it is. I’ll ask.