How?
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2000 hours and you think you’re getting a handle on it. 5000 hours and you realize you don’t even know what you don’t know. Patience and perseverance, just like anything one wishes to master. Practice and it will get better. I couldn’t agree more with Kuhprah though: learning online with others is hugely beneficial!
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I started with CCIP bombing, since that’s the manly thing to do. And after watching the Krause youtube tutorial on the subject, I ran every campaign mission I could find of that until I wanted to try something else (or we’d won). After some months I only had the ramp left to learn (of the F16s significant operations, there are always new little things to pick up, even after years).
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How do you guys get so good at this sim? Thinking about giving up this since it seems so much to learn.
It’s not something you start and expect to finish at some point. You start learning and you never stop. The sense of accomplishment is something that comes in addition to the fun of learning. You’ll get some as soon as you make your first rampstart alone. And probably even before that.
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you learn every day, i will knock off 1000mp hours within 2 flight hours which will probably happen tonight and i’m still green at times even if i am usually a 4-ship lead in missions.
i agree with saying that you learn the most in multiplayer, join a wing (and look at what a wing is like, some are more realistic than others and realistic wings usually have a training program but they also have expectations from you)
at falcon online there are also plenty of so called “lone wolfs” people like you that don’t belong to a wing and just fly there in a multiplayer enviroment and there might be a couple that are willing to show you how and what to do. -
I spent years on Falcon 4/AF, just discovered BMS a few weeks ago and have to learn the very most things a second time now because there is so much different or i don’t remember. Kinda annoying because it feels like i’ve been living under a rock the last years, but i remember the enormous fun this game provided. It’s a long way, but since you even started with Falcon, i’m pretty sure you’ll have a lot more fun with this game than with any other. Don’t give up, it’s worth the work. That’s why i’m willing to do it twice.
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“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
There are many, many reasons why Falcon has survived up to now.
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USAF takes about 3 years to train a fighter pilot to the point he is ready to join an operational squadron. I would not compare flying real jets to high fidelity combat flight sims, but mastering the weapons systems and avionics is similar. Takes time, practice and passion, especially the latter.
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Ice is Right
Have fun with it I’ve Flying since the orginal F4 Having a lot of fun and still learning Stay Cool! -
BMS is obviously NOT a “jump in the cockpit and shoot things” game. To me that’s the beauty of it. Like many of us I have a lot of years in F4AF and Jane’s f/a-18. I’d go through phases where I’d do one, then the other. A couple of years ago I discovered FSX Super Bug and liked the cockpit interaction but was not really “fed” by the game. Shooting airliners and bombing LAX got old.
Then I found BMS, and as they say the rest is history.
Some people express interest in DCS or some such, I never feel interest in doing so. I have never been so satisfied with a sim as this, and it’s not just the flying. There are nights where I won’t even fly. I’ll just pull out a manual and study something. My Reading Room, aka bathroom, looks like a BMS reference library.:p
So, Methos, my answer to your question is to decide if you have the desire “for more”. If you do, then this is the place, and the journey counts more then the destination. -
BMS is obviously NOT a “jump in the cockpit and shoot things” game. To me that’s the beauty of it. Like many of us I have a lot of years in F4AF and Jane’s f/a-18. I’d go through phases where I’d do one, then the other. A couple of years ago I discovered FSX Super Bug and liked the cockpit interaction but was not really “fed” by the game. Shooting airliners and bombing LAX got old.
Then I found BMS, and as they say the rest is history.
Some people express interest in DCS or some such, I never feel interest in doing so. I have never been so satisfied with a sim as this, and it’s not just the flying. There are nights where I won’t even fly. I’ll just pull out a manual and study something. My Reading Room, aka bathroom, looks like a BMS reference library.:p
So, Methos, my answer to your question is to decide if you have the desire “for more”. If you do, then this is the place, and the journey counts more then the destination.Agree with what yourself and others are saying. I too spent a good part of last night not playing Falcon but reading the Dash 1 and Dash 34 manuals. In doing so i learned more about the AMRAAM DLZ, A/M/F poles, DMC and the two types of active guidance that an AMRAAM’s seeker has HPRF and MPRF. Also about FCR contacts. Also someone kindly told me how i have the IP and TGT steerpoints show on the DED as IP and TGT. Still so much to learn especially in 4.33 compared to 4.32.
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Agree with what yourself and others are saying. I too spent a good part of last night not playing Falcon but reading the Dash 1 and Dash 34 manuals. In doing so i learned more about the AMRAAM DLZ, A/M/F poles, DMC and the two types of active guidance that an AMRAAM’s seeker has HPRF and MPRF. Also about FCR contacts. Also someone kindly told me how i have the IP and TGT steerpoints show on the DED as IP and TGT. Still so much to learn especially in 4.33 compared to 4.32.
and that’s just FCR systems and a smattering of the DED, after that you need to learn how to fly as well.
sometimes it’s good to get away from the manual and just do some ****ed up and crazy shit in that jet to learn where the limits are… how high and how fast do i need to be to do a split s and not lawndart (3000 ft AGL and 350 kts using AB btw)
how do i recover from deep stalls… how do i get into deep stalls so i can avoid getting in one… i could go on and on -
and that’s just FCR systems and a smattering of the DED, after that you need to learn how to fly as well.
sometimes it’s good to get away from the manual and just do some ****ed up and crazy shit in that jet to learn where the limits are… how high and how fast do i need to be to do a split s and not lawndart (3000 ft AGL and 350 kts using AB btw)
how do i recover from deep stalls… how do i get into deep stalls so i can avoid getting in one… i could go on and onManuals can tell you a lot of that you know. Its good to practice, but its good to practice with an aim in mind - something specific.
@Habu_:USAF takes about 3 years to train a fighter pilot to the point he is ready to join an operational squadron. I would not compare flying real jets to high fidelity combat flight sims, but mastering the weapons systems and avionics is similar. Takes time, practice and passion, especially the latter.
I would. If you want to fly BMS seriously, its going to take a comparable amount of time to learn its intricacies as it would to learn to fly a real jet. You miss out on as capable an IP, and you dont get as many aircraft to fly in that time, and half the systems on the jet dont work, so you can do it in less time, or more time, depending how things go.
While its never going to be the same as flying the real jet, you can always compare it, and identify the things that are different, and those things that are not.
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How do you guys get so good at this sim? Thinking about giving up this since it seems so much to learn.
Methos,
Here’s what worked for me. I first read the manuals, taking some time to do so, while looking at this forum constantly to see what others were discussing and asking. In addition, I started slowly just playing around with instant action at low levels. Obviously I also was figuring out how I wanted to configure my hotas during this time. At first much of what I read was greek to me (no offense to my fellow Greek pilots) and I constantly got killed. But eventually I got my controls on the Hotas the way I wanted and started actually surviving some instant actions as I started to advance through various levels. As I did this I also started looking at the wide variety of you tube videos available to show me how to actually do something in the jet which then started to make all that I read gel. Then I started a rookie level campaign. Etc etc, just keep building up your skills and eventually it comes together to make it very enjoyable. Good luck.
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“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
There are many, many reasons why Falcon has survived up to now.
And one of the many reasons is the community. I was afraid to fly online, but once I did it was a whole new world.
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I’m in the same boat, new to BMS and feeling like I will never be proficient. But there’s something else, OP, that I found in some other areas in general: complicated things seem overwhelming at first. Then you go to easier ones. The easy things come to an end quite sooner, and then you go back to the complicated, which has a challenge that keeps you at it for longer.
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Step by Step, asking questions (there is no stupid question, only stupid people telling you it is a stupid question), read, make mistake, and most of all, have fun learning and flying the sim.
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Simple.
We just call you chicken.
I believe this will do the trick. :lol:Here from day one. Still newb but none can call me chicken…
Except Archer Molny Lazy Whole BMS team, my squad… Hey enough the rest are toast. :rofl:sent from my Xperia Z3 compact via TapaTalk
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Becoming a real F-16 pilot would probably help with getting to grips with BMS
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Here from day one. Still newb but none can call me chicken…
Except Archer Molny Lazy Whole BMS team, my squad… Hey enough the rest are toast. :rofl: -
Simple.
We just call you chicken.
I believe this will do the trick. :lol:Here from day one. Still newb but none can call me chicken…
Except Archer Molny Lazy Whole BMS team, my squad… Hey enough the rest are toast. :rofl:sent from my Xperia Z3 compact via TapaTalk
That’s how I would never call you.Cheers,
LS