Best weapon to destroy SA-5 RADAR (Israel theater)
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Thanks guys, made a TE to check low flight attack and it works, even with GBU-38.
@APOLLO:
First you need to have a good idea about the topography of the target area and training on tactics for properly using this special IAF weapons. Worth every penny!!!
Yes, ITO sure got some great new weapons, needs now to learn them, very exciting !
F18 off the carrier launch a couple of AGM-88 done
Not avialble at the start of the campaign
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lo-lo-lo+guns, guns, guns!
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Just fly under it and shoot it with a Maverick. … Or a Shrike, if they’re available.
IIRC, SA-5 has a very high minimum engagement altitude.
I cannot recall from my mind the min. alt, but min eng. range is 17 km.
If you have a jammer, you can fly right up to it and drop a bomb.
What is the ECM modifier in DB? If it is soo low it should be changed. In fact in RL S-200 was quite jam resistant, theoretically VGPO was designed against it, but never was tried in RL. When Libya launched missiles from S-200 site targets within range always went below the horizon instead trying to defeat the missile. The missiel had so big seeker and CW Radar was so powerful that a MiG-21 size target could be locked from ~130 km. Because of SARH guidance missile had to lock on target befor launch.
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I cannot recall from my mind the min. alt, but min eng. range is 17 km.
What is the ECM modifier in DB? If it is soo low it should be changed. In fact in RL S-200 was quite jam resistant, theoretically VGPO was designed against it, but never was tried in RL. When Libya launched missiles from S-200 site targets within range always went below the horizon instead trying to defeat the missile. The missiel had so big seeker and CW Radar was so powerful that a MiG-21 size target could be locked from ~130 km. Because of SARH guidance missile had to lock on target befor launch.
ECM modifier in the DB no longer exists…
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The best weapon 4 this is the -88 but it is not available in the start of the campaign.
So, what is the best wpn 4 this mission ?
As Apollo had mentioned…
Delilah…(but you can try and use SDB if you really feel lucky)
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ECM modifier in the DB no longer exists…
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If you open with F4B the DB you still can see it and change it. I did it for testing ARH chaff sensitivity (they are immune by the code). I can do tests with other radars.
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If you open with F4B the DB you still can see it and change it. I did it for testing ARH chaff sensitivity (they are immune by the code). I can do tests with other radars.
f4B is not BMS tool and is not maintained, stop using it.
DB structure has changed over the years and some fields have been re-purposed. You have the BMS editor which is kept up to date with BMS code changes. if you are missing a feature there, let us know.Anyway, this particular byte was never a “real” field, it was the 15th byte in the name field (which was therefor limited to 14 bytes) 4.32 could still read and use it, but it was fixed in 4.33.
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Sure it does! Unless you mean in the ITO in which case i wouldnt know. But in default bms 4.33.1 the square pair radar (radar type 36) has a jamming penalty multiplier of 0.180. Its nominal detection range is 61 miles. The rcs multiplier of the f-16 is 1.0. This means that following this formula (nominal detection range * target rcs) * jamming penalty=burnthrough range , you get 10,98nm burnthrough range against a jamming f-16.
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@Master:
Sure it does! Unless you mean in the ITO in which case i wouldnt know. But in default bms 4.33.1 the square pair radar (radar type 36) has a jamming penalty multiplier of 0.180. Its nominal detection range is 61 miles. The rcs multiplier of the f-16 is 1.0. This means that following this formula (nominal detection range * target rcs) * jamming penalty=burnthrough range , you get 10,98nm burnthrough range against a jamming f-16.
we are not talking about jamming resistance (which is a radar property) or RCS multiplier (which is an aircraft property). (at least I’m not).
there was a field called “ECM strength” which controlled the emitter strength on that particular aircraft it would add another factor to the calculation.
I’ll be using your formula, as I dont have the real one available currently
but it’s more like:
(nominal detection range * target rcs) * jamming penalty / (1 + ECM STRENGTH)=burnthrough range -
we are not talking about jamming resistance (which is a radar property) or RCS multiplier (which is an aircraft property). (at least I’m not).
there was a field called “ECM strength” which controlled the emitter strength on that particular aircraft it would add another factor to the calculation.
I’ll be using your formula, as I dont have the real one available currently
but it’s more like:
(nominal detection range * target rcs) * jamming penalty / (1 + ECM STRENGTH)=burnthrough rangeOh, gotcha!
The formula i use comes from this PDF (dont pay attention to the values, only the formulae) link is in the 2nd post https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?12402-Radars-in-F4&p=168848&viewfull=1#post168848 . Its from the allied force era but ACMI tests (lots of them) confirm the calculations i do (with bms values ofcourse). so according to that its actually :Burnthrough range = {nominal radar detection range * target rcs}/radar signal strength* (1/ecm penalty) Because we calculate max burnthrough the radar signal strength is 1 (radar signal strenght = radar detection range/target range) and therefore eliminated from our equation. So the final burnthrough formula is (nominal detection range * target rcs) * jamming penalty as i posted orginaly.
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I cannot recall from my mind the min. alt, but min eng. range is 17 km.
What is the ECM modifier in DB? If it is soo low it should be changed. In fact in RL S-200 was quite jam resistant, theoretically VGPO was designed against it, but never was tried in RL. When Libya launched missiles from S-200 site targets within range always went below the horizon instead trying to defeat the missile. The missiel had so big seeker and CW Radar was so powerful that a MiG-21 size target could be locked from ~130 km. Because of SARH guidance missile had to lock on target befor launch.
I think that the trouble may be that when the burn through range is reached, I get inside the minimum firing range for the missile so the site doesn’t fire at me. These are limited to observations, no calculations.
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f4B is not BMS tool and is not maintained, stop using it.
DB structure has changed over the years and some fields have been re-purposed. You have the BMS editor which is kept up to date with BMS code changes. if you are missing a feature there, let us know.Anyway, this particular byte was never a “real” field, it was the 15th byte in the name field (which was therefor limited to 14 bytes) 4.32 could still read and use it, but it was fixed in 4.33.
the ECM strength value for internal jammers have been moved to the AC DAT file.ECM strentgh and chaff chance are different values. Yes, I know ECM strength is in dat file but 0 for all AC as ever were….
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AGM-84E SLAM is a good option in opinion.
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@VpR:
AGM-84E SLAM is a good option in opinion.
Not availble . . .
BTW, manage to learn the DELILAH procedure . . . what a great weapon, keep you busy all the way to the BOOMMMM
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f4B is not BMS tool and is not maintained, stop using it.
DB structure has changed over the years and some fields have been re-purposed. You have the BMS editor which is kept up to date with BMS code changes. if you are missing a feature there, let us know.Anyway, this particular byte was never a “real” field, it was the 15th byte in the name field (which was therefor limited to 14 bytes) 4.32 could still read and use it, but it was fixed in 4.33.
the ECM strength value for internal jammers have been moved to the AC DAT file.I checked the DB. Chaff modifier still works in DB. I set 0.99 for F-15A and of course a MiG-29 easily defeated all of my AIM-7Ms.
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I checked the DB. Chaff modifier still works in DB. I set 0.99 for F-15A and of course a MiG-29 easily defeated all of my AIM-7Ms.
Of course chaff modifier still works… ECM strength doesn’t.
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Of course chaff modifier still works… ECM strength doesn’t.
Which is not an issue becase even today in dat files ALL ECM modifier values are the same. 0 for every AC. I tested and used ECM modifier in DB regardless I do not have any exact info about it. One thing is sure. In FF is you set about 48-50 value even just turning on jammer all ARH lost the lock, the max. valu is 125 as I can remember.
ECM modifier is a way to provide stonger ECM - not only radar’s ECM modifier is counts - but I have neve seen any documentation of explanation about it. As I can remember even RP5 does not mention it.
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Which is not an issue becase even today in dat files ALL ECM modifier values are the same. 0 for every AC. I tested and used ECM modifier in DB regardless I do not have any exact info about it. One thing is sure. In FF is you set about 48-50 value even just turning on jammer all ARH lost the lock, the max. valu is 125 as I can remember.
ECM modifier is a way to provide stonger ECM - not only radar’s ECM modifier is counts - but I have neve seen any documentation of explanation about it. As I can remember even RP5 does not mention it.
I have the feeling that I’m in a Douglas Adams book now.
You are quoting me saying one thing, and claim that I’m wrong about another thing I’ve said nothing about.can you please re-read what I actually wrote and only then accuse me of being wrong? please?
and regarding the F4Browse, again, please stop using it, for the sake of data integrity… if any functionality you need is missing from the BMS editor, let us know.
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I have the feeling that I’m in a Douglas Adams book now.
You are quoting me saying one thing, and claim that I’m wrong about another thing I’ve said nothing about.can you please re-read what I actually wrote and only then accuse me of being wrong? please?
and regarding the F4Browse, again, please stop using it, for the sake of data integrity… if any functionality you need is missing from the BMS editor, let us know.
Because in first post you did not clarified what you are talking about. The “ECM modifier” alone is not clear.
Each AC in db has ECM modifier and each radar in DB has ECM modifier. I replied first on radar modifier which exist and still works. You mentioned later ECM strenght modifier which is created for all AC which is meaningless because is the same for all AC and 100% undocumented what it does.
We miss the recalculate option for battalions to count stat values.
Is it possible to create new DB entries or copy any DB entry type? I used F4B in the past because it was far more easier than F4Editor. MY MOD was 100% functional with using only F4B. -
Because in first post you did not clarified what you are talking about. The “ECM modifier” alone is not clear.
Each AC in db has ECM modifier and each radar in DB has ECM modifier. I replied first on radar modifier which exist and still works. You mentioned later ECM strenght modifier which is created for all AC which is meaningless because is the same for all AC and 100% undocumented what it does.
We miss the recalculate option for battalions to count stat values.
Is it possible to create new DB entries or copy any DB entry type? I used F4B in the past because it was far more easier than F4Editor. MY MOD was 100% functional with using only F4B.there is not “ECM modifier” for aircraft in the sim, other then “ECM streangth”. Which was a ugly hack put in by someone in 2001. the code actually checked (inside the ECM code) for the value of NAME[14]. i.e the byte value of the 15th char in the name string.
there is the susceptibility for jammer value for radars, but that is something completely different from all the references.And I’ll say it again, stop using F4B, it’s bad practice! you think everything is OK and working, but it might come back and bite you in the ass. it is not maintained, and most certainly does not map the newer BMS flags correctly.