Autopilot Question
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What’s the workflow for setting AP? Is there anything I need to do in the up front controller - like alt? But isn’t everything set by the steer point? Altitude, steer point location, etc….
No, nothing special to set up. Just take of, select steer 2, climb to desired altitude and flip the switches, that should should do the trick……
send from my C6903
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Thanks for the suggestion. I do have it set to 3 axis. What’s the workflow for setting AP? Is there anything I need to do in the up front controller - like alt? But isn’t everything set by the steer point? Altitude, steer point location, etc….
No AP does not work at all with steer point, only for heading when properly set up.
It is time for you to Read The Manual for learning AP
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Thank you to everyone for your suggestions! The AP switches are set correctly - both for altitude and steer point. I am basically flying level a little of centered from the steering bug. Are there any other conditions I need to set. Do I need to set an altitude? But isn’t this included in the steer point info?
Also, I am trying to give myself an advantage in order to complete missions in the campaign. I’m assuming that the near and far label command displays the labels of enemy as well as friendly object. I do not see them when I hit the corresponding keyboard commands. Or am I not understanding the callbacks? Am I suppose be in a certain view?
BTW - I am using Morphines’ key file. I believe the keyboard strokes are k and l.
Thanks again,
BlainKeyboard strokes k and l may no longer work. Morphine’s key file is outdated. You may have not seen the following notice posted at Morphine’s profile.
Falcon BMS >
Version 2.0
Morphine’s Warthog Files for Falcon BMS
These files have not been updated for BMS 4.33 or 4.33.1. Please look in the BMS Warthog forum where other users have generously distributed updated versions. -
No AP does not work at all with steer point, only for heading when properly set up.
It is time for you to Read The Manual for learning AP
I’ve been trying figure this thing out from the manual but was a little confused as to the terminology. It mentions that if I select STPT Auto STPT in the UFC that it will automatically switch to the next STPT. I interpreted this as the jet will head to the next steer point. But based on what you are saying is that only the steer point in the DED will cycle? I need to take the jet out of AP and point it to the next steer point?
Thanks!
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I’ve been trying figure this thing out from the manual but was a little confused as to the terminology. It mentions that if I select STPT Auto STPT in the UFC that it will automatically switch to the next STPT. I interpreted this as the jet will head to the next steer point. But based on what you are saying is that only the steer point in the DED will cycle? I need to take the jet out of AP and point it to the next steer point?
Thanks!
No you need to change the steerpoint and it will go to whatever stpt you select.
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Actually Icarus
If you select auto stpt in the UFC the stpt will change to the next once the jet gets a certain distance from selected stp. -
Actually Icarus
If you select auto stpt in the UFC the stpt will change to the next once the jet gets a certain distance from selected stp.But the jet will not alter its course to the next steer point, right? Then why have two options on the left switch - STPT and Heading. Isn’t the heading option meant to maintain your current heading?
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But the jet will not alter its course to the next steer point, right? Then why have two options on the left switch - STPT and Heading. Isn’t the heading option meant to maintain your current heading?
Wrong, the jet will fly to the currently selected steerpoint. It will ignore altitude setting for the steerpoint (technically this setting should be the altitude of the ground at the steerpoint, not the flight altitude). If the current steerpoint position changes, either by selecting a new steerpoint, or slewing the current one, the jet will adjust heading accordingly.
The heading switch does not maintain your heading, either. Isnt this in the manual? It should point the jet in the heading the HSI bug is at.
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Yes if set to auto steer point through the UFC the jet will cycle through the steer points when the auto pilot is set to stpt. And yes change course to each when at a certain distance. (It’s a feature I don’t use but it does auto cycle. In fact I used it only once to test the function)
The heading option is separate function if you set the heading bug the jet will follow that heading. Good if you want to fly in a certain direction that is unrelated to a steer point.
I’m not at my PC at the moment so can’t offer any ideas as to why your auto pilot isn’t working.
To be honest others have offered that already. I’m lost as to why yours is not functioning. -
Wrong, the jet will fly to the currently selected steerpoint. It will ignore altitude setting for the steerpoint (technically this setting should be the altitude of the ground at the steerpoint, not the flight altitude). If the current steerpoint position changes, either by selecting a new steerpoint, or slewing the current one, the jet will adjust heading accordingly.
The heading switch does not maintain your heading, either. Isnt this in the manual? It should point the jet in the heading the HSI bug is at.
Someone said AP does not tie the path of the jet to the steer point. Only the heading. I took this to mean that the AP does not automatically take the jet to next steer point.
Regarding the UFC - the manual says the Auto steer point function is limited to automatically cycling to the next steer point once the previous steer point is reached. So I assume you do not need to enabled this to get the jet to fly to the next steer point.
I verified all the conditions were met. I also enabled STPT and Altitude hold from the cockpit so it can’t be the Warthog.
Any ideas? This thing has stumped me.
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Someone said AP does not tie the path of the jet to the steer point. Only the heading. I took this to mean that the AP does not automatically take the jet to next steer point.
Regarding the UFC - the manual says the Auto steer point function is limited to automatically cycling to the next steer point once the previous steer point is reached. So I assume you do not need to enabled this to get the jet to fly to the next steer point.
Correct, you don’t need the “auto steerpoint function” in order to just fly to the selected steerpoint on DED. The STRG mode of the ROLL switch takes you to the steerpoint currently selected on DED.
I verified all the conditions were met. I also enabled STPT and Altitude hold from the cockpit so it can’t be the Warthog.
Any ideas? This thing has stumped me.
When you’ve selected STRG on ROLL switch and ALT HOLD on PITCH switch, what exactly happens? Does the jet start to turn towards the currently selected steerpoint? Does it hold the current altitude you are flying at?
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From p137 of the 4.33UI TO-BMS1F-16CM-1:
1.14.5. Steering Select (ROLL)
Placing the left ROLL switch to STRG SEL commands the aircraft to fly to the current steerpoint of interest. As in Heading Select mode the bank angle will be limited to 30°. If AUTO steerpoint is selected in the UFC the A/P will steer to the next waypoint when reaching the vicinity of the current steerpoint (it follows the steerpoint of interest which in AUTO is automatically switched to the next waypoint). If MANUAL is set the A/P will circle the steerpoint at a 30° bank angle. Stick steering remains useable but paddle override has no effect since the paddle is not able to change the steerpoint of interest. -
Hello Mav
maybe I am misunderstanding the AP then but surely when flipped to STRG SEL then the AP is set for next Steer Point when AP is in 3 Axis Mode? (and will even auto increment SP if set up in UFC?)From p137 of the 4.33UI TO-BMS1F-16CM-1:
1.14.5. Steering Select (ROLL)
Placing the left ROLL switch to STRG SEL commands the aircraft to fly to the current steerpoint of interest. As in Heading Select mode the bank angle will be limited to 30°. If AUTO steerpoint is selected in the UFC the A/P will steer to the next waypoint when reaching the vicinity of the current steerpoint (it follows the steerpoint of interest which in AUTO is automatically switched to the next waypoint). If MANUAL is set the A/P will circle the steerpoint at a 30° bank angle. Stick steering remains useable but paddle override has no effect since the paddle is not able to change the steerpoint of interest.This is what I said “only when set up properly” in that case strg selected
But first forget about course , are you able to engage the ALT hold autopilot and working fine ? Do not forget that stick steering is always available in AP as well
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Sorry Mav - I had misunderstood your reply - thanks for clarification
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Correct, you don’t need the “auto steerpoint function” in order to just fly to the selected steerpoint on DED. The STRG mode of the ROLL switch takes you to the steerpoint currently selected on DED.
When you’ve selected STRG on ROLL switch and ALT HOLD on PITCH switch, what exactly happens? Does the jet start to turn towards the currently selected steerpoint? Does it hold the current altitude you are flying at?
It keeps it current attitude and heading. I tried to slightly off set from the next steer point, but the jet does nothing. I am wondering whether I should reinstall BMS. I guess that’s my next step.
I also tried to use the BMS full key file and a different profile and that didn’t seem to affect it.
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So if you unplug your joystick, then start a mission in the air, and use the mouse to click the AP switches and change steerpoint, with the default keyfile loaded, it still does not make steering inputs?
If so, there is definitely something wrong somewhere.
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This is what I said “only when set up properly” in that case strg selected
But first forget about course , are you able to engage the ALT hold autopilot and working fine ? Do not forget that stick steering is always available in AP as well
Mav,
I was going to check that next. So if I point the jet up a few degrees - less than 5 - and engage ALT hold then it should change the AOA to 0, right? Also, is there some type of indicator light that tells you that you are in AP mode? There was a YouTube video by, I think Krause, that showed an indicator light on the AP panel that turns on when you enable AP. I don’t see that… -
No, because at zero AoA, you have a nearly ballistic trajectory. If you put the switch up, it should level off at the current altitude. If you put it down, it should maintain its present attitude.
The position of the AP switch tells you you are in AP.
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Mav,
I was going to check that next. So if I point the jet up a few degrees - less than 5 - and engage ALT hold then it should change the AOA to 0, right? Also, is there some type of indicator light that tells you that you are in AP mode? There was a YouTube video by, I think Krause, that showed an indicator light on the AP panel that turns on when you enable AP. I don’t see that…no, dont touch your ROLL switch, and FLIP with your mouse the PITCH switch to ALT.
It should hold altitude as long as you have enough speed….to test it, easy , climb with your stick and release, the AP should command push down and recover the altitude you set when switching the button
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no, dont touch your ROLL switch, and FLIP with your mouse the PITCH switch to ALT.
It should hold altitude as long as you have enough speed….to test it, easy , climb with your stick and release, the AP should command push down and recover the altitude you set when switching the button
Thanks all for your suggestions. Pitch was not enabled so I uninstalled and reinstalled BMS. That seemed to do the trick. Something must have been corrupted.