This theater is savage!
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So the built in HAD is not true to life in the Sufa?
My life was a lie
I thought those nostrils below the IFF antennas were a built in HST pod.
MITL weapons, IMHO, arenāt that good against long range air defenses and those that are on the move. They make you a sitting duck for some time before it impacts. Youāre heads down, mostly flying straight and in need of some serious escort if the Campaign is still young and swarming with enemy fighters.
In any case, I had some mixed results with low level snake eye runs. It seems that it is pure luck whether or not a Patriot engages you or not. If it does and youāre close, youāre dead. Studying some ACMI files, it sometimes decides to fire SAMs at you from maximum range and other times it only fires at you when you get much closer. It also seems to āfeelā when youāre out to kill it or just flying about(Iām guessing ones aspect to the Patriot factors into itās attack decision making), capping the area. Sometimes I had a missile shot in my face roughly 2 miles away without a āPā spike(strange, in the debrief it said patriot, not Stinger, though BMS might not differenciate between the two since they are part of the same battalion). Other times I wacked it with the aforementioned snake eyes without any launches at all. Going quiet and hitting the deck well before the IP seems to highten my chances of getting close. Still, surviving the attack run is always a dice roll with this method. -
you need to make your holding pattern in a smart way, and outside threat area
so holding about 75nm out is the best thing you can do you will usually will not be engaged by the SAM at this range and if you do, because you are beam or close to it, missiles will not reach you.
launching from this range will give you one or two āgo aroundsā with the Delilah.BTW, in 4.33 there is a different RWR modeling, some systems have better accuracy then others. some have better coverage then others. there is also the whole radar frequency, as some systems can pick up more frequency ranges then others.
so maybe Patriot is not being picked up due to being in the dead zones or something.
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Iāll practice more with the Dililah then
I guess the trickiest part is timing and location of the holding pattern(which is nicely emphasized in the training manual), though it can be even more challenging on Day 1 SAM hunts, with numerous bandits about.
In the manual it says that the Delilah covers roughly 9nm per minute. Does this vary with cruising altitude and release velocity? If yes, by how much? -
Donāt know if itās the best tactic, but in the first days of the campaign Iād mostly do A-A sweeps in order to achieve a decent air superiority and take care of the SAMs only when skies are a bit more cleanā¦ is it a crazy idea?
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Donāt know if itās the best tactic, but in the first days of the campaign Iād mostly do A-A sweeps in order to achieve a decent air superiority and take care of the SAMs only when skies are a bit more cleanā¦ is it a crazy idea?
Not crazy at all. Used to do it all the time when I flew often. Iād hijack as many Barcaps as I could and use them as Sweeps, fly the Sweeps too for a solid 2-3 days if I had to.
Iād also occasionally use a few of the hijacked Barcaps, load up some iron and take out ground units just beyond the FLOT. Iād use the wingies as air cover while I searched for 'em.
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Not crazy at all. Used to do it all the time when I flew often. Iād hijack as many Barcaps as I could and use them as Sweeps, fly the Sweeps too for a solid 2-3 days if I had to.
Iād also occasionally use a few of the hijacked Barcaps, load up some iron and take out ground units just beyond the FLOT. Iād use the wingies as air cover while I searched for 'em.
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The way we cracked the SAM threat in ITO was with SDBs. You canāt hit the SA-17s when theyāre moving, but if theyāre nice enough to sit still, which they sometimes do, you can launch > 20nm get hits, but still have time to turn away. Itās dicey, though, because you have maybe one minute between the time the TGP is in range and when you have to abort. Still, we wiped out many battalions of SA-17 with this method.
Obviously, you have to take one of the platforms that have TGP and SDB capability (F-16I for sure, donāt know about others) for this to work.
If theyāre moving, Delilah is basically it. And IMO itās one of the hardest weapons in the entire sim to use well.
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If theyāre moving, Delilah is basically it. And IMO itās one of the hardest weapons in the entire sim to use well.
but IMHO, by far the most satisfying weapon as well
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but IMHO, by far the most satisfying weapon as well
Ha! Yes, thereās something awesome about seeing an SA-17 get bigger and bigger in the MFD. Especially if you donāt forget to arm the fuse.
One thing Iāve been contemplating with the SA-17 threat is whether a combination of LGB lofting, buddy lasing, and terrain masking might work sometimes. It might be tough to pull off, but it would be pretty awesome. I donāt see any reason it wouldnāt work in theory, but of course youād have to get lucky with the location to have terrain in the right place.
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Ha! Yes, thereās something awesome about seeing an SA-17 get bigger and bigger in the MFD. Especially if you donāt forget to arm the fuse.
One thing Iāve been contemplating with the SA-17 threat is whether a combination of LGB lofting, buddy lasing, and terrain masking might work sometimes. It might be tough to pull off, but it would be pretty awesome. I donāt see any reason it wouldnāt work in theory, but of course youād have to get lucky with the location to have terrain in the right place.
should work just fine
you have the designator up high and safe, locate the target, feed coods to the bomb carrier. which then lofts on the Target position. while designator maintains LOS -
should work just fine
you have the designator up high and safe, locate the target, feed coods to the bomb carrier. which then lofts on the Target position. while designator maintains LOSYeah, the open question is whether an SA-17 can detect, track, launch, and shoot down the loft aircraft before it can get down behind the terrain again. Because youāre going to need to be well within engagement range at loft time. Still would be a super fun mission to run with some friends.
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if you are fast enough and aggressive enough, answer is yes, you can. you can get the bomb off at 8nm at less then 2000ft AGL, but youāll need to to the pull down very very quickly (less then 30 seconds from pull up to low level). assuming that you are not detected before the pull up
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if you are fast enough and aggressive enough, answer is yes, you can. you can get the bomb off at 8nm at less then 2000ft AGL, but youāll need to to the pull down in CATI and very very fast.
Which is why I think terrain masking is an important variable. Obviously, a conveniently-located mountain is going to help a lot vs. running in over 50 miles of ocean-flat southeastern Syria.
I wish there was a better way to visualize terrain in BMS. I find it somewhat difficult right now to figure out what sight lines are likely to be.
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Which is why I think terrain masking is an important variable. Obviously, a conveniently-located mountain is going to help a lot vs. running in over 50 miles of ocean-flat southeastern Syria.
I wish there was a better way to visualize terrain in BMS. I find it somewhat difficult right now to figure out what sight lines are likely to be.
actually the Map on ITO is more topographic in nature then in KTO.
if you zoom in you should be able to see the topography.but yeah, itās not a digital map, nor a topographic map
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If you think itās savage flying israeli airforce against Syria or Egypt, try flying Egyptian Airforce against israel. Those AMRAAMs are killing us, alongside the effin Patriots God, I had to go from Faid airbase, to Jordan and attack the Patriots from the East to avoid waking up those Sufas and Raāams. Plus, the Egyptian Airforceās equipment are wrong too, but I corrected that with F4Browse Plus the fact that the flat terrain doesnāt really give so much of an option to terrain mask myself.
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What is wrong with EAF equipment?
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Also f4browse is said as not compatible with BMS anymore.
Use falcon editor.Sent from TapaTalk
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Also f4browse is said as not compatible with BMS anymore.
Please refrain from spreading incorrect information!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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And what exactly is incorrect Cloud 9?
if you search the forum there are numerous posts from BMS developers stating not to use F4browse anymore but Falcon Editor.
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What is wrong with EAF equipment?
Itās not complete, alongside the fact that the Egyptian army has SA10s and SA17s.
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Also f4browse is said as not compatible with BMS anymore.
Use falcon editor.Sent from TapaTalk
I actually tried searching for Falcon Editor, but I hadnāt any luck finding it. Would you mind sending a link for it. Plus, F4Browse works as far as Iāve tried it.