Something new from Thrustmaster (HOTAS)
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It’s really not my favorite, but I post it cause I’ve seen it today. Don’t know if anybody is interested in and if anyone before has posted about it.
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t16000m-fcs-hotas
It’s a throttle for the old T.16000M and the stick itself has another painting. Reminds me a little bit about the HOTAS Rhino conversion from flightsim to spacesim.
It seems to me they want to jump up on the space sim train, like saitek does
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A good starter kit but I’m waiting for the next pro system or at least a really good quality stick.
Or maybe a universal software upgrade that would let you use any stick. Tick Tock -
I don’t understand why they do not renew the Cougar throttle. There are so many people flying the F-16 and have built homepits. You could simply use the Warthog stick with it. They could use the old molds and just renew the electronics, I think that’s not a big deal.
They also never brought a changeable stick to the market. A grip for the F-15 an the warthog throttle could be nearly a F-15 or F-18 HOTAS. Never understood why to make grips changeable since the Cougar, but never released a new grip.
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I have been told that its a matter of money and how much they make on the pc market vs the military market we want the high end development but only one out of ten of us can really afford the things that we are asking for I have had three TM Hotas systems
and was happy for about two years each and then they break I’m now looking at VKB or something that’s more equal ( Bang for the Buck ) I heard rumor that CH Products had something in the works I don’t know if that’s real but it cant heart to wait and see
there’s nothing in the stores right non that’s tempting maybe 2017 -
I have been told that its a matter of money and how much they make on the pc market vs the military market we want the high end development but only one out of ten of us can really afford the things that we are asking for I have had three TM Hotas systems and was happy for about two years each and then they break I’m now looking at VKB or something that’s more equal ( Bang for the Buck ) I heard rumor that CH Products had something in the works I don’t know if that’s real but it cant heart to wait and see there’s nothing in the stores right non that’s tempting maybe 2017
I assume you mean TM Cougars that only last two years?
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It’s really not my favorite, but I post it cause I’ve seen it today. Don’t know if anybody is interested in and if anyone before has posted about it.
http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/t16000m-fcs-hotas
It’s a throttle for the old T.16000M and the stick itself has another painting. Reminds me a little bit about the HOTAS Rhino conversion from flightsim to spacesim.
It seems to me they want to jump up on the space sim train, like saitek does
That throttle grip is almost Hornet-like…near enought to get my personal vote, anyway. Other than not being dual axis. Why don’t they just do a Hornet HOTAS set?..
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That throttle grip is almost Hornet-like…near enought to get my personal vote, anyway. Other than not being dual axis. Why don’t they just do a Hornet HOTAS set?..
Maybe because there’s no proper “sim level” Hornet title widely available yet?
All the best, Uwe
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Maybe because there’s no proper “sim level” Hornet title widely available yet?
All the best, Uwe
I still have Jane’s F/A-18 Simulator based on the Super Hornet which had carrier ops, and modeled ACLS etc in reasonable detail for the time. It had the ugliest 3D cockpit but being put into a holding pattern by “Mothers” ATC in bad weather waiting for your turn to trap had its moments. It’s a shame that this sim was never updated with new graphics etc because it had a lot of potential for improvement.
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Maybe an effort could be made to get the publisher to open source the sim if it’s been abandoned? One can dream… OTOH I’d much rather see the BMS hornet improved in one of the next releases, though I think the avionics will be hard to implement in an F-16 sim.
All the best, Uwe
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The avionics would be hard, period. They would need a whole new dedicated team to do an even somewhat passable Hornet model…this is a reason I’d like to see aircraft models become “plugins” to BMS and have the ability to simply replace ones that are there already. If there was some sort of standardization as to requirements then independent parties could work up replacement models that could just feed into the BMS…er…world…for lack of a better word. Possible?..
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For the Hornet the best you can get for a acceptable price is an old used Suncom SFS throttle and the Talon stick, but you have to modify the HOTAS with a Leo Bodnar BU0836A or something equal to have usb functionality. It’s the only HOTAS I knew, which comes close to the Hornet. Originally it is a replica of the F-15 Hotas, but this is not so much different to the F-18.
The dream of every military sim pilot must be the systems of bugeye technologies. Here you can get most of the HOTAS for every fighter you want, but there is a little problem (at least for me) and that’s the costs. They build this things for professional use in military simulators, but if one has the money to spent, all things are perfect .I still use the old Janes’s F-18 with the mod of TSH. It’s quiet acceptable in case of the graphics and the sim itself is very well modeled, but as kevinsue said the 3D cockpit is horrible. As far as I knew there sadly exists no real good replacement mod for the 3D-pit. I also use the old Janes F-15, but its not easy to get it running on modern systems. You have to use a glide wrapper. That’s the reason my pit has to different systems for simulation. One modern and an old one for the aged sims.
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The avionics would be hard, period. They would need a whole new dedicated team to do an even somewhat passable Hornet model…this is a reason I’d like to see aircraft models become “plugins” to BMS and have the ability to simply replace ones that are there already. If there was some sort of standardization as to requirements then independent parties could work up replacement models that could just feed into the BMS…er…world…for lack of a better word. Possible?..
Well, this is already the case for 3D models. Its not possible at present obviously, but it is possible for the sim to be changed to support it. Without having looked at the code though, I would be guessing in saying that it would be very hard and not likely to end up getting much serious use.
RPM is a mod for KSP designed to do almost exactly this, allow people to craft configurable and custom MFD pages, defined with just text files and a rather sophisticated configuration language. BMS would need a much more powerful system than RPM is, and they would need to implement it in a codebase not designed to support that kind of extensibility. RPM was slow to be developed, but anything similar for BMS would be in 4.50, not 4.34.
My guess : not gonna happen.
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For the Hornet the best you can get for a acceptable price is an old used Suncom SFS throttle and the Talon stick, but you have to modify the HOTAS with a Leo Bodnar BU0836A or something equal to have usb functionality. It’s the only HOTAS I knew, which comes close to the Hornet. Originally it is a replica of the F-15 Hotas, but this is not so much different to the F-18.
The dream of every military sim pilot must be the systems of bugeye technologies. Here you can get most of the HOTAS for every fighter you want, but there is a little problem (at least for me) and that’s the costs. They build this things for professional use in military simulators, but if one has the money to spent, all things are perfect .I still use the old Janes’s F-18 with the mod of TSH. It’s quiet acceptable in case of the graphics and the sim itself is very well modeled, but as kevinsue said the 3D cockpit is horrible. As far as I knew there sadly exists no real good replacement mod for the 3D-pit. I also use the old Janes F-15, but its not easy to get it running on modern systems. You have to use a glide wrapper. That’s the reason my pit has to different systems for simulation. One modern and an old one for the aged sims.
Actually, Hornet HOTAS is substantially different from the F-15 - particularly on the throttle, where it’s much simpler just based on the number of switches on the grips. The Warthog throttle grips and real F-15 grips that I’ve seen on E-bay are nearly identical…so modding a Suncom stick grip to fit onto a Warthog base and then using that with a stock Warthog throttle set would get one a really nice F-15 setup, IMO.
But for the Hornet the only way to get something passable is to 3D print one’s own grips, I think…at least that’s what I’m planning to do. Someday…
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Well, this is already the case for 3D models. Its not possible at present obviously, but it is possible for the sim to be changed to support it. Without having looked at the code though, I would be guessing in saying that it would be very hard and not likely to end up getting much serious use.
RPM is a mod for KSP designed to do almost exactly this, allow people to craft configurable and custom MFD pages, defined with just text files and a rather sophisticated configuration language. BMS would need a much more powerful system than RPM is, and they would need to implement it in a codebase not designed to support that kind of extensibility. RPM was slow to be developed, but anything similar for BMS would be in 4.50, not 4.34.
My guess : not gonna happen.
I don’t think it’s possible in my lifetime…so I’m not going to sweat waiting. I’ve seen bits and pieces of fair Hornet sims - the best from an FQ standpoint being the old Hornet 3.0; the best from a systems standpoint being Janes…but both are WAY outdated. I think X-Plane probably comes the closest to having an open framework for aircraft design/modelling, but it’s not a combat sim. Nobody’s got the whole package…Prepare3D, maybe. I do intend to explore that one once I get a decent PC built. But they probably do it all in some release we can’t get…BMS Viper - best of the best to date, so I’ll just stick with that.