Superhornet Out of trim
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yeah sounds like it doesn’t work same with cats not working on occasion
Albs, I may be able to help with this one. This is old old memory(been quite a while since I flew Rhinos), but…When I used to have that problem it was because the ATC called me to the cat too soon. I’d “position and hold” and be told to move clear. The solution was to double check my actual launch time, and now I routinely don’t go for the cat until 2 minutes before flight time.
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can certainly try that it also depends if I am air to air I actually don’t need the cat. I was able to go the far end of the carrier , turn around , and hit full burner and just make it off the deck at least once. My observation is if I miss align it, it will bug or if an npc flight takes off first. I assume that the latter can be avoided with good package design.
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Strange that it isn’t mentioned in NATOPS anywhere. Also strange that the RL Rhino pilot I know says that it doesn’t.
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Strange that it isn’t mentioned in NATOPS anywhere. Also strange that the RL Rhino pilot I know says that it doesn’t.
Pretty sure that it does (and is…) within limits…but I’ll double check. I also know that depressing the T/O Trim button in flight will zero any roll trim if you do get screwed up.
Edit: Book’s not really clear…I can read it a couple ways.
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Being that I don’t touch trim taking off. The trim should be neutral. I would also note the roll to the right is more pronounced with a heavier load, but still noticeable clean. Also as stated earlier this occurs only on 18E not the 18C. I am curious though to know if this occurs only for me or do others have it as well.
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The trim button on the top of the rudder trim does indeed zero trim. It is also used to trim for takeoff. It is not an auto trim that trims for an asymmetrical load. Perhaps you are confusing auto trim with the UA trim logic that attempts to trim the jet to 1G in-flight which doesn’t account for asymmetry.
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As for the F-18E/F in BMS, the roll is a known issue since 4.32. It doesn’t have an AFM like the Charlie does.
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The trim button on the top of the rudder trim does indeed zero trim. It is also used to trim for takeoff. It is not an auto trim that trims for an asymmetrical load. Perhaps you are confusing auto trim with the UA trim logic that attempts to trim the jet to 1G in-flight which doesn’t account for asymmetry.
Yes to the first…no to the second - NATOPS talks about both pitch and roll CAS - Control Augmentation System(s). I’d have to dig deeper to recall just what roll CAS does, and how. But I’m pretty sure roll CAS does trim for lateral asymmetry during weapon releases…what I’m not sure of just now is what it does at takeoff. Gotta go read a different book. NATOPS ain’t everything…
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I’m well aware of R CAS and what it does. If R CAS did automatically trim for asymmetry as you claim it does, why would the Normal Procedures tell you manually trim for asymmetry?
From 8.2.3.1.1b:
“If the aircraft is loaded asymmetrically, lateral trim (differential stabilator with WonW) should also be manually set IAW figure 8-1 Table G. Trim laterally into the light wing (unloaded wing down).”
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All I can recall right now is how it acts during weapon releases…and the the book may say one thing and the logic may actually do something else. I’ve been working around jets long enough to know there’s more to them than the book…er…more books to read than just one. But in this instance manually trimming for a cat shot may be the real deal…I’m just not certain. I do know that most of the guys I know say they don’t do this operating ashore.
Further study required…
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It’s been demonstrated elsewhere on these forums that debating anything with you is useless so I won’t waste any more of my time. Have fun studying.
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Can’t get consistent results yet but it /seems/ to me like i’m getting more thrust off my left engine,
I have had some success with pulling the left engine back a little, seems to make things a little less pronounced (but it still isn’t super stable) -
solved the issue by setting the second throttle axis to the right throttle on my warthog. Thank you guys for your help that is the last of my f-18 issues (so far). Here is a summary.
A. Super hornet rolling - fixed by setting second engine axis (default of keyboard is bad).
B. Unable to avoid taking a bath on launch with any bomb load - fixed by setting flaps to full instead of auto.
C. Hud cut off - use middle mouse button and moving the mouse to reposition head. -
Flaps in full is actually the proper flap setting for a cat shot in the Rhino. Glad you found a work around for the others.
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solved the issue by setting the second throttle axis to the right throttle on my warthog. Thank you guys for your help that is the last of my f-18 issues (so far). Here is a summary.
A. Super hornet rolling - fixed by setting second engine axis (default of keyboard is bad).
B. Unable to avoid taking a bath on launch with any bomb load - fixed by setting flaps to full instead of auto.
C. Hud cut off - use middle mouse button and moving the mouse to reposition head.…that would do it. Particularly with a Super.
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It’s been demonstrated elsewhere on these forums that debating anything with you is useless so I won’t waste any more of my time. Have fun studying.
…now you’re catching on.
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Have the same problem. Here is what I found in testing.
Loadouts all Clear, AutoPilot is On with ALT and ATT.
F16, flies straight, or can hold slight bank left or right. Roll Axis Deadzone set to Small. So my Jstick centering is OK.
F18 C, had slow roll to the right. Changed Roll Axis Deadzone to Medium.
Now will maintain a slight bank to left or right.
F18 E, had serious roll to the right, eventually crashing. Changed Deadzone to Large. Still has very slight roll to right, but not so annoying.
Changing Flight Model to Simpified, roll problem is gone.Found a curious symetry entry in
F18e.dat & F18f.datEngine
#–---------------------------------------------------
typeEngine 8
nEngines 2
engine1Location -26.00 -1.90 0.60
engine2Location -26.00 1.60 0.60 (changed to 1.90)
engine3Location 0.00 0.00 0.00 (but had no affect)
engine4Location 0.00 0.00 0.00F18c.dat
Engine
#–---------------------------------------------------
typeEngine 0
nEngines 2
engine1Location -25.30 -1.80 0.70
engine2Location -25.30 1.80 0.70
engine3Location 0.00 0.00 0.00
engine4Location 0.00 0.00 0.00 -
I tried swapping the engine position lines from the 18c file into the 18e line and there is no roll issue if you do that. It appears that is the root of the issue.
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I tried swapping the engine position lines from the 18c file into the 18e line and there is no roll issue if you do that. It appears that is the root of the issue.
Does that change the AC dat files? If so, that may effectively lock players out of multi-player flights if the server/host has the ‘same AC dat files’ option selected.