Night Vision
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Depends entirely on what NVG you are using… The IR pointer is a 850 nanometer wave, and rayleigh scattering is not great to start with. The combat laser at 1064 nanometers has a more visible beam under the right conditions, but you still want a relatively recent NVG to pick that up. The training laser at 1570 nanometers another story again. Old style NVGs will only pick up the IR spot, newer models will not see the IR beam at all but will see the combat laser spot and beam, and then new SWIR models will see the whole spectrum used.
As an aside? If you can see the beam from rayleigh scattering, you wont be able to make out the actual target. It will be too washed out. If your AGC kicks in so you can delineate the target, you wont see the beam. Catch-22.
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I Love the Hornet!
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Is it possible to code in future patch the visibility of whole TGP IR beam, between TGP and target, as it can be seen in real and DCS sim?? Not only the ground blinking IR spot. IR beam is heating up molecules of air all the way to the target, so it can be seen thru the NVG.
…you probably shouldn’t be able to see the spot either - if you are using an IR marker, yes - and yes to the above. But if you are using the tactical laser, no and no.
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…you probably shouldn’t be able to see the spot either - if you are using an IR marker, yes - and yes to the above. But if you are using the tactical laser, no and no.
A short wave infrared NVG set should be able to see the spot for all three pointers.
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A short wave infrared NVG set should be able to see the spot for all three pointers.
None of the NVGs I’ve ever worked with can see a laser…IR pointer/marker with a FLIR - yes; laser no - with NVGs or a FLIR. At least not a tactical laser…or more to the point, not a tactical laser in use at the time. Probably because none of the NVGs I’m familiar with are IR sensitive - I’m only familiar with aviator used ones. Ground troops may have different.
First time I ever did see an IR pointer/marker through NVGs was stunning…no wonder they call it the “finger of death”. Even a hand held one - pointed through a canopy.
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Unless you are using older generation NVGs, such as starlight technology which doesn’t exist in modern systems, ALL night vision optics can see IR. So not sure what you are talking about. Remember, IR laser is not a light saber. You are not going to see a beam. You only see a beam if there is some sort smoke, fog etc that refracts the IR particles, otherwise you will only see the SPOT as the IR laser is refracting off an object.
So not sure what your conditions were but I assure you your NVGs will see an IR spot/source/beam if those conditions exist.
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Unless you are using older generation NVGs, such as starlight technology which doesn’t exist in modern systems, ALL night vision optics can see IR. So not sure what you are talking about. Remember, IR laser is not a light saber. You are not going to see a beam. You only see a beam if there is some sort smoke, fog etc that refracts the IR particles, otherwise you will only see the SPOT as the IR laser is refracting off an object.
So not sure what your conditions were but I assure you your NVGs will see an IR spot/source/beam if those conditions exist.
Strictly speaking, smoke, fog and air are all things that will allow reflection of IR photons. Depends on sensitivity of your receiver I guess.
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Pretty sure ANVIS-9s don’t see IR, I’ll check that…but I’m REAL sure they don’t.
BTW - after a look at the SNIPER pod brochure with twelve 8x10 color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, I’m gonna need to re-think a bit on just what that things does, and HOW it does it…badass pod.
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Pretty sure ANVIS-9s don’t see IR, I’ll check that…but I’m REAL sure they don’t.
BTW - after a look at the SNIPER pod brochure with twelve 8x10 color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, I’m gonna need to re-think a bit on just what that things does, and HOW it does it…badass pod.
They do. My company trains pilots and tactical LEO and Military the use of NODs. We have AVS9s and I promise you they see IR. We use IR pointers PEQs DBALS etc to shoot. They see the IR laser and illuminator. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT.
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Strictly speaking, smoke, fog and air are all things that will allow reflection of IR photons. Depends on sensitivity of your receiver I guess.
Yes this is true… We use MILSPEC GENIII tubes like anyone else and it needs to be pretty smokey to actually see the laser. Generally you’ll catch glimps of it but more so not. Remember from a tactical perspective you don’t want lasers coming from your person, weapon or jet for that matter. So they are not designed to look like lightsabers.
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……At least in the Hornet, you have to turn the HUD brightness pretty high up in order to read it through your NVG’s…
Interesting comment, since within BMS i need to turn the HUD brightness DOWN in order to be able to read something.
Considering the above post: is this correct behavior? -
They do. My company trains pilots and tactical LEO and Military the use of NODs. We have AVS9s and I promise you they see IR. We use IR pointers PEQs DBALS etc to shoot. They see the IR laser and illuminator. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT.
…that’s interesting. Last time I got a demo in the night lab as NAS Lemoore ANVIS-9s didn’t. Or at least the people I was working with didn’t use or train to use them that way. Do you really mean “ANVIS” or “AVS”?..are we talking about two different devices?
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Watch this video and tell me, that kids are playing with strobing flashlight
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Watch this video and tell me, that kids are playing with strobing flashlight
That’s not a strobe, that’s an IR laser pointer. Could have been doing FAC training or something, but it looks like a typcial APTIAL marking a spot.
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That’s not a strobe, that’s an IR laser pointer. Could have been doing FAC training or something, but it looks like a typcial APTIAL marking a spot.
There is also strobe light effect leader -wingman in the video