Air brakes ?
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You think wrong. IRL it makes absoluetly no sounds, no vibrations, and deceleration is only trully felt when airbrakes are open in dense air layer (low level) and/or at high speed.
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You think wrong. IRL it makes absoluetly no sounds, no vibrations, and deceleration is only trully felt when airbrakes are open in dense air layer (low level) and/or at high speed.
Correct.
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Correct.
I should have let you answer buddy ⌠Iâve never actually flew on F-16 (I would dream about it! ;)) but on MF1 , Jaguar , M2000 and Ajet it is the case ⌠In Jaguar and MF1 vibrations was more noticeable. Really noticable on C-160 when opened more than 60° âŚ
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⌠By the way, it is the same story about afterburnerâs âkick in the pantsâ.
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I should have let you answer buddy ⌠Iâve never actually flew on F-16 (I would dream about it! ;)) but on MF1 , Jaguar , M2000 and Ajet it is the case ⌠In Jaguar and MF1 vibrations was more noticeable. Really noticable on C-160 when opened more than 60° âŚ
Nope you nailed it perfectly. (Young) Guys have actually left the speed brakes open for decent amounts of time in the Viper because you just donât notice it. Hence the habit of constantly pushing forward on the SB switch on the throttle.
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(Young) Guys have actually left the speed brakes open for decent amounts of time in the Viper because you just donât notice it.
Made the same mistake on Ajet (no stable âcloseâ position on the throttle, just an unstable âopenâ and âcloseâ with a central stable âneutralâ postion, but ⌠with a more visible light on the landing gear/flaps panel ⌠ooops ;))
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Hence the habit of constantly pushing forward on the SB switch on the throttle.
Good to know itâs not just me but also the real pilots as well!
A few questions guys⌠when going AB and breaking the sound barrierâŚ
1. Is there a âcrackâ sound when you break the sound barrier?
2. Is it true that the cockpit âgoes quietâ afterwards?
3. Is the BMS implementation correct? IME, it doesnât go as quiet as I expect it to be, if at allâŚThanks!
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1 - No
2 & 3 - I do not know in an F-16. (?)Fox?
Edit: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?145-Pump-Up-the-Volume
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1 - No
2 & 3 - I do not know in an F-16. (?)Fox?
Edit: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?145-Pump-Up-the-Volume
You hear the wind rush increase as airspeed increases. But you never notice anything special about breaking the Mach. And after doing it once or twice, it just becomes another day of flying the Viper!
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Well, that wasnât what I expectedâŚ. I thought if youâre flying faster than the speed of sound, youâre basically not hearing anything as you leave the soundwaves behind youâŚ
Thanks for the answers guys!
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In the Viper there are no special cockpit sounds when supersonic, this is mostly due to the clean canopy. What you were hearing in <0.99 you keep hearing above m1. The opposite goes for canopies with front support frames (M2k, F-4), that the drag forces also increase the air flow sound.
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I wonder why GD have put SPD BRK indicator to F-16 such a hard to see position while F-18 have a noticeable light indicator at the eyebrow.
EDIT: Perhaps set SPD BRK to FWD is preferred to confirm it is closed, so the indicator is not required to be placed to somewhere more visible?
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âŚmuch, much earlier design approach. As with anything, things get learned as you go. Besides - in the real jet you can likely feel it if the boards are outâŚand you donât have to look. We sim-ers donât get that feedback.
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âŚmuch, much earlier design approach. As with anything, things get learned as you go. Besides - in the real jet you can likely feel it if the boards are outâŚand you donât have to look. We sim-ers donât get that feedback.
Please precise : on F-18. Otherwise some ppl will think again it is the same on F-16
You hear the wind rush increase as airspeed increases. But you never notice anything special about breaking the Mach.
There is actually a âbugâ (or bad design) in BMS which makes the wind rush increase with the mach instead of the airspeed. I am trying to find a coder with free time to fix that ⌠I suspect the original coder to misunderstood what has been said about it in the past.
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Well, that wasnât what I expectedâŚ. I thought if youâre flying faster than the speed of sound, youâre basically not hearing anything as you leave the soundwaves behind youâŚ
Most of what is heard inside the cockpit is the âaircondâ throwing/blowing air and the airflow on the canopy at high speed. Also the motor sound (to a lesser extent) which is transmitted by the structure of the airframe. Those sounds are âinside cockpitâ sounds and you wonât leave them behind whatever your speed.
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Nope you nailed it perfectly. (Young) Guys have actually left the speed brakes open for decent amounts of time in the Viper because you just donât notice it. Hence the habit of constantly pushing forward on the SB switch on the throttle.
Happens from time to time in the sim too lol. I definitely have noticed the obsessive habit to ensure theyâre closed too, I always am pushing forward on my switch to make sure theyâre shut, canât help it.
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Dee-Jay, you said the pilot can feel the airbrakes open at high speed or in thicker air⌠why is this? Turbulence? Vibrations?
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Dee-Jay, you said the pilot can feel the airbrakes open at high speed or in thicker air⌠why is this? Turbulence? Vibrations?
My best guess is at high speed there is enough deceleration (say decelerating from M1.5 to M0.9 with SB) that it will push you forward against the straps a little bit. And in thicker air simply because there is more drag and again a faster decel, probably enough to push you forward against the straps to where you can feel it and a sense of slowing down. But I would like to see what Dee-Jay and Fox3 have to say
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Next time youâre flying on an airliner take note of what you can feel as the pilot changes throttle settings (and flap/spoiler deployments, for that matter)âŚif youâre tuned in, itâs very noticeable.
But I also agree - I find myself constantly checking the speed brake switch -> in as I fly BMS.