HARM RUK mode
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So you saying that HTP passive ranging is good enuff to use EOM on unknown emitter? Can you enter known emitter coors in HAD and then verify with the HTP when theyre active? In r/l.
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That’s cool, I’ll just have to get quicker at creating markpoints
Creating markpoints should take almost zero time. Default Markpoint type depends on sensor state; ie what is currently SOI. For exmaple, with TGP in area or point track and SOI, pressing MKPT on the ICP will take you straight to TGP MKPT. Simply press TMS up to save the location (check coordinates appear in DED) and then 0-MSEL to make it the current active steerpoint.
Check pg 68 of the BMS -1 for more info on using Markpoints. They’re an invaluable tool and we were reminded of this when lead had a bad flightplan due to a sync issue/glitch so I was able to send steerpoint/markpoint data via IDM.
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So you saying that HTP passive ranging is good enuff to use EOM on unknown emitter? Can you enter known emitter coors in HAD and then verify with the HTP when theyre active? In r/l.
HAD/ALIC database/HTS I know the least about and is assuredly the most advanced. From what I’ve heard the ALIC database is developed between flights using data gathered from previous flights. In BMS when you put down a PPT you’ll see a corresponding entry on the HAD screen. The old Falcon 4 method of knowing about every emitter and displaying it as if the HAD was the world’s best radar set is surely overstating its capabilities for on the fly recognition. What it mostly does is correlate what it sees now to a stored contact. Can it or how well does it generate a brand new contact that previously wasn’t in database in a single flight? No clue. Is the location refinement good enough for EOM shots routinely? No clue.
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Latest HTS has possibility for PT (precise targeting) or how is it called.
It is more than enough for EOM.
It has been discussed and there was a document linked that reveals that latest verion of HTS is precise enough for JDAM delivery.BTW. Does anybody knows why in BMS HAS mode cannot be used against most of AAA? In BMS i see that they do not appear on HAS display so they cannot be attacked in HAS mode.
However i noticed that they appear of HTS display and can be attacked if HTS is carried. -
Creating markpoints should take almost zero time. Default Markpoint type depends on sensor state; ie what is currently SOI. For exmaple, with TGP in area or point track and SOI, pressing MKPT on the ICP will take you straight to TGP MKPT. Simply press TMS up to save the location (check coordinates appear in DED) and then 0-MSEL to make it the current active steerpoint.
Check pg 68 of the BMS -1 for more info on using Markpoints. They’re an invaluable tool and we were reminded of this when lead had a bad flightplan due to a sync issue/glitch so I was able to send steerpoint/markpoint data via IDM.
In this case maybe the most appropriate SOI should be FCR in SP with RNG 40nm, the the mark will be by default 20nm on the nose. Then you create the mark putting your SAM spike on your 12 and magnum or come back to recommit.
Right Mav-jp?
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A few radars were changed to be untargetable by HARM. It’s more than just AAA. One of the higher number (17? 19?) SAMs is as well. This is to reflect that some radars are outside of the frequency range the missile can track. If HAD can select it and shoot out a missile but the missile can’t actually home on it that should probably be changed.
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So why there is “A” able to be selected in HAS threat table when this kind of radar won’t even pop up on HAD screen?
It would be stupid not to have MADDOG type mode on a HARM and SEAD platform. Even if the missile is blessed with GPS guidance.
Some guy some time ago said on forum that some F-16s have LOR mode which stands for launch off RWR. Not sure if thats true.
However i can confirm that real Carapace is able to create waypoints that looks like PPTs. You can use them to launch HARM on them as they are just waypoints. Information is taken from (unclassified) MLU update manual.
And many SAMs are faster than HARM, so they gonna nail you before HARM reaches the target.
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Different kind of A? Search radar supporting fixed-AAA as opposed to the gun dish system on a ZSU-23-4? Maybe BMS didn’t update the HAS threat tables along with their changes to the more used modes? I know for a fact one of the patches since 4.32 made some previously HARM-able emitters not HARM-able. I distinctly remembering that surprising and biting me in the butt the very mission after I patched and discovered it the hard way.
I’ve heard of F-18s having that. Maybe it was developed for 16s as well.
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So why there is “A” able to be selected in HAS threat table when this kind of radar won’t even pop up on HAD screen?
Maybe the “A” will work on the old firecan. However, if modeled correct, the KS17 or KS19 does have PK below 19k feet in clear sky using optic sights iirc.
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And many SAMs are faster than HARM, so they gonna nail you before HARM reaches the target.
If flying toward the Sam while entering a stpt you have look at closure speed. Shot off bore, beam. get in the weeds, find some cover. Sometimes all you do is buy extra time. And you never know maybe something happen in your favor.
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My way is to launch them while being slightly out of range (i mean SAM range). This ensures they gonna paint you with radar but your butt gonna be safe
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For older sams, there is no fear. I always wait till they start shooting then launch my own harm. You only have 2 missiles, so every one gotta count. After you shoot, start dancing with the sams. 2, 3 and 5 are not that hard to dance with. You only need deal with the first 1-2 missiles then your harm should have put the radar out. Also in some campaigns, sam batteries are co-mingled with some AAA. So when you use HAD, you might accidentally lock onto active AAA instead of the Sam you want to eliminate. I always zoom in on HAD to make sure the correct one is selected. For more advanced sams like SA10, I always do high alt, long range loft shot. As soon as I saw it on RWR, I turn tail and run. The only issue I have is those short range ambush type of sams. In those cases, I really wish to have something similar to maddog shot.
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A few radars were changed to be untargetable by HARM. It’s more than just AAA. One of the higher number (17? 19?) SAMs is as well. This is to reflect that some radars are outside of the frequency range the missile can track. If HAD can select it and shoot out a missile but the missile can’t actually home on it that should probably be changed.
I can hit both SA-17 and SA-19 with HARMs, done both in Israel and Nordic recently
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Which mode you used? Was it HAD, HAS or POS?
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SA-17/19 with HAD
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I can hit both SA-17 and SA-19 with HARMs, done both in Israel and Nordic recently
I’ll look into that.
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I discovered an extremely fast and easy way to use the RUK mode.
One MFD on WPN page, the other MFD on FCR.
Point nose to direction of the target.
Hit Snowplow twice. The “fall line” is now centered on your nose. Fire.
You can also slew the line around using the FCR/HUD. The harm will track toward the point on the FCR, not the selected steerpoint.
I don’t know if this is the real way to do it, but it is the fastest in BMS.