Question about the Block 52 force sensing stick which moves quite a bit
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@TwanV:
In the FCC3 we have spacers that allow you to set-up some movement, does it feature anything like that?
Twan
Interesting. I didn’t realize that there is another force sensing mod besides the FSSB mod available for the Warthog. How much does it cost?
See how the stick moves to the left in that video? Looked also very close to the amount the real stick moved in the video aboveNo. I think there is no way to customize the displacement of the FSSB
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The FCC3 is no longer available, as it’s inventor/supplier passed away last year…if you want one, you’ll have to find someone that wants to part with one. I had planned to get a second one…but alas…it is a nice mod - Cougar only, but Warthog grip compatible, or for mounting on a replica SSC base - and relies on small washers to allow the 1/8" movement. Very nice device…but you still need to stabilize the grip itself against the retaining nut - the problem of the grip rocking due to wear against the stalk can spoil a force controller worse than with gimbals, IMO.
Once upon a time there was a thread over on ViperPits on scratch building/machining a 1:1 operating replica of the real SCC - complete set of drawings, which I think has been removed. All I can offer from seeing the drawings is that Hall devices/pots/etc. appeared to have nothing to do with it’s operation…it’s its own beastie.
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Sad to hear he passed away.
When I compare how the real stick kinda “clicks” into position when pushed looks a lot more like the FCC3. The FSSB just bends but does not do “articulated” movements, hope you understand what I mean. My feeling is from watching the videos that the FCC3 is more realistic.
But what you’re saying is that although its built for the Cougar you could easily mount the Warthog on it as well?
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You can mount a Warthog grip on an FCC3, but you lose it’s CMS->dwn button action…which is a shame, because I use that as my shift key seeing as it has no actual function in the F-16. But - even though you can mount the grip I don’t believe you can mount the FCC3 to a Warthog base without making an adapter plate for it…the adapter plate that comes (came) with it is made to mount to the Cougar base; on it’s own it will mount to an SSC replica.
The FCC3 doesn’t do articulated movement either. The rubber grommets that mount between it and it’s base fixture provide a progressive resistance into the 1/8" deflection. By adjusting the mounting screw pressure on the grommets - and/or replacing the grommets themselves - you can also affect/adjust both the amount of deflection and the progressive resistance.
It really is a slick little device/mod…Arend was genius on this one (he developed a LOT more than just the FCC3), IMO. I never actually met him, but I still mourn his loss. He was a true asset to the community of cockpit builders.
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This guy manipulating like mad a piece of history in a museum makes me sick
Yeah they really need to stop letting meth users sit in those cockpits. lol I think I would have punched him if I was next in line.
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Isn’t that a bit of a pilot thing though? As far as I know the F16-pilot is a pitbuilders worst nightmare, with stories that go like:
Hobbyist prepares perfect replica of F-16 pit -> Meets an impressed pilot, let him have a go -> perfect replica pit completely ruined by military treatment of non-military grade hardware
dos gringos comes to mind. Anyway my point, that hardware should be able to withstand some abuse from kids.
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@TwanV:
Isn’t that a bit of a pilot thing though? As far as I know the F16-pilot is a pitbuilders worst nightmare, with stories that go like:
Hobbyist prepares perfect replica of F-16 pit -> Meets an impressed pilot, let him have a go -> perfect replica pit completely ruined by military treatment of non-military grade hardware
dos gringos comes to mind. Anyway my point, that hardware should be able to withstand some abuse from kids.
Its not that it is ruff on the parts. I am building my pit to last and with all the real panels and hardware I’m not too worried about a broken switch. Its more of its a museum piece and this guy is tugging on stuff like he does at night with his porno mags. Its like take it easy Tiger.
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Haha ok you have a point, he does seem to get a bit inappropriately switched on by all that hardware.
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OTOH…if he is a real pilot he’s been trained to do that. His expectations are that it is the same as what he flies, and he has little or no regard for the equipment beyond it’s ability to get him home safe and/or kill an opponent no matter how much he may “love” his airplane. That’s the biggest diff in attitude between most of us and a real fighter pilot, IMO.
I get to work with RL trainers on occasion and one of the more interesting things to do is to accompany an aircrew (especially a combat experienced one) to a trainer session…and watch the transition from co-worker to warrior - talk about “game face”…good grief. Even just talking to Viet Nam era air combat vets, you can that it don’t wash off. Ever. So yeah - I’m also building my pit with as many metal parts as I can as far as my controllers are concerned…because I’m already getting requests to try it from RL pilots, and it ain’t even half-built yet. Run away!..
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OTOH…if he is a real pilot he’s been trained to do that. His expectations are that it is the same as what he flies, and he has little or no regard for the equipment beyond it’s ability to get him home safe and/or kill an opponent no matter how much he may “love” his airplane. That’s the biggest diff in attitude between most of us and a real fighter pilot, IMO.
I get to work with RL trainers on occasion and one of the more interesting things to do is to accompany an aircrew (especially a combat experienced one) to a trainer session…and watch the transition from co-worker to warrior - talk about “game face”…good grief. Even just talking to Viet Nam era air combat vets, you can that it don’t wash off. Ever. So yeah - I’m also building my pit with as many metal parts as I can as far as my controllers are concerned…because I’m already getting requests to try it from RL pilots, and it ain’t even half-built yet. Run away!..
Being ex special forces and now a police officer, I have been trained to do a lot of things with guns, compared to what I do during training. My environment will dictate how I operate with a gun. I would suspect pilots are the same. Besides, he was flicking switches that I don’t think are manipulated in his line up cards. lol
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Being ex special forces and now a police officer, I have been trained to do a lot of things with guns, compared to what I do during training. My environment will dictate how I operate with a gun. I would suspect pilots are the same. Besides, he was flicking switches that I don’t think are manipulated in his line up cards. lol
When you’re able to get yourself Court Martialed for shooting expert on a Marine Corps Rifle Range , then have your 9 inch 500 yard target spotter mounted on the Base Commanders wall with a 5 round group you could cover with a 50 cent piece and clearly see where one bullet almost went straight through a hole before it with a M-16 one shot at a time with iron sights, then come see me, I was then asked to be a instructor I turned it down I wasn’t about to train people to be as good as me, June 1984 Court House Bay Marine Corps Rifle Range NC, , hopefully you are better trained when not to use deadly force.
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Being ex special forces and now a police officer, I have been trained to do a lot of things with guns, compared to what I do during training. My environment will dictate how I operate with a gun. I would suspect pilots are the same. Besides, he was flicking switches that I don’t think are manipulated in his line up cards. lol
In my experience pilots tend to do a lot of things in the cockpit that isn’t exactly “on script”…FOREX - there is a lexicon among crew that you’re supposed to “only touch the shiny switches”. I did a mod once to an jet that had a switch in it that wasn’t connected to anything before I did the mod…and that switch was shiny (meaning it had been polished by leather gloved hands) even though it did nothing - nothing at all - before I modded the jet. And that mode was a FLeet system incorporation, so that switch did nothing across the entire Fleet until this installation and there wasn’t any “training” even to be associated previously.
We’ve had similar discussions over on VP about the white button on the gear lever and how pilots playing with it tends to wear out the solenoid in the gear box. So…in the cockpit, stuff happens…
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When you’re able to get yourself Court Martialed for shooting expert on a Marine Corps Rifle Range , then have your 9 inch 500 yard target spotter mounted on the Base Commanders wall with a 5 round group you could cover with a 50 cent piece and clearly see where one bullet almost went straight through a hole before it with a M-16 one shot at a time with iron sights, then come see me, I was then asked to be a instructor I turned it down I wasn’t about to train people to be as good as me, June 1984 Court House Bay Marine Corps Rifle Range NC, , hopefully you are better trained when not to use deadly force.
…I’d take lessons from ya. If you’re ever out in the high Mojave, look me up.
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…I’d take lessons from ya. If you’re ever out in the high Mojave, look me up.
It’s all in your breathing, you have 2 sight pictures the first 0ne is with your lungs full of air, and the Second is when you fully exhale, you adjust your aim after you exhale, if time permits you can take a breath but of course your sight picture will have changed not to worry when you exhale the sights will fall on to the target , and just squeeze like you are getting that last drop of water from a sponge and the shot is suppose to surprise you so you don’t flinch , my last best shot was on a coyote 375 yards out with a cheap 270 Mossberg that I didn’t know whether it was sighted for that range , the round went where the crosshairs laid. Some say to shoot between heart beats , you’ll feel your heart beat after a few moments after you exhale, give it a try. {that will be 500 dollars} LOL.
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In my experience pilots tend to do a lot of things in the cockpit that isn’t exactly “on script”…FOREX - there is a lexicon among crew that you’re supposed to “only touch the shiny switches”. I did a mod once to an jet that had a switch in it that wasn’t connected to anything before I did the mod…and that switch was shiny (meaning it had been polished by leather gloved hands) even though it did nothing - nothing at all - before I modded the jet. And that mode was a FLeet system incorporation, so that switch did nothing across the entire Fleet until this installation and there wasn’t any “training” even to be associated previously.
We’ve had similar discussions over on VP about the white button on the gear lever and how pilots playing with it tends to wear out the solenoid in the gear box. So…in the cockpit, stuff happens…
Ha ha ha so true. This conversation is getting stupid. lol Let it be known that I don’t think you need to jump in a museum artifact and start torquing on everything. Agree to disagree.
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Ha ha ha so true. This conversation is getting stupid. lol Let it be known that I don’t think you need to jump in a museum artifact and start torquing on everything. Agree to disagree.
how about this,
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Ha ha ha so true. This conversation is getting stupid. lol Let it be known that I don’t think you need to jump in a museum artifact and start torquing on everything. Agree to disagree.
…just to pile on the stupid wagon…this is a real, airworthy P-40, owned by Rudy Frasca of Urbana, Illinois.
http://www.frasca.com/frasca-history/
I happened to be attending the University there when the parts of this scene with Belushi in the cockpit were shot, on deck in Frasca’s hangar at his airfield…lots of reports of Frasca standing there in agony as Belushi was smashing bottles all over his aircraft and in the cockpit (over several takes, likely). But I suppose he got paid - well - for that! And the airplane went on to continue flying.
Not really agreeing or disagreeing…just pointing out the diversity in the spectrum…
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people are so dumb, the YT crowd at the viper demo and the museum plebs. makes me nauseous.
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…just to pile on the stupid wagon…this is a real, airworthy P-40, owned by Rudy Frasca of Urbana, Illinois.
http://www.frasca.com/frasca-history/
I happened to be attending the University there when the parts of this scene with Belushi in the cockpit were shot, on deck in Frasca’s hangar at his airfield…lots of reports of Frasca standing there in agony as Belushi was smashing bottles all over his aircraft and in the cockpit (over several takes, likely). But I suppose he got paid - well - for that! And the airplane went on to continue flying.
Not really agreeing or disagreeing…just pointing out the diversity in the spectrum…
Ha ha ha that’s funny… But like you said I’m sure they got paid well and it was worth it. I have a friend that has a lot of surplus military equipment and he rents them out to movies all the time and gets paid quiet well. I specifically remember a $5000 bonus just to put one of the Humvee’s upside down.
That’s a different though when you have a contract with someone that spells out what is going to be done with someone’s equipment and with them close by monitoring. This is more out of respect for museum equipment or the fact when you are guest and invited with an opportunity to sit in a jet. There are quite a few videos out there were guys are in cockpits and just cranking on the stuff. lol
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Agreed. When I was in high school there was a guy out at our local airport that owned a P-38 Lightning…he use to hire high schoolers to come out and keep it polished over the summer, and I became a P-38 groupie - that was my first encounter with a real warbird (after which there were to be many more, but I was young and didn’t know that then, still…). Got to know his chief mechanic pretty well - talk about an IMMACULATE airplane…full complement of guns onboard, too.
One afternoon the chief allowed me to climb up the ladder and into the cockpit…of a real, flyable, P-38 Lightning. I treated it like I was walking into church. Just thinking now of the feelings I got sitting there, yoke and throttles in hand…I still get the tingles just recalling it.