Stealthy MiG 29A in Instant Action?
-
@Cloud:
?? Hmm, darn, you’re an expert on IA, and there’s really nothing to be learned with/by it?? :?
Good to know!!! :crazy:
C9
Heh. My guess is Lorik sensed a brother in arms, as it were. I remember when Lorik was the FNG and he posted a video complaining about something being wrong when in fact he had managed to deep stall his aircraft and didn’t know what he had done. At least in his case it wasn’t the much more mundane FCR.
-
Back on track, sungad, if you install the free version of TacView and try the mission again (make sure to record it with the AVTR system) you can visually verify altitude differences and lateral distances. Simply put, if the target is not within the limits of where the FCR is currently searching, outside the gimbals, it won’t see the target. I suspect that that has happened here, but we can’t be sure unless we know where the 29 was.
-
Back on track, sungad, if you install the free version of TacView and try the mission again (make sure to record it with the AVTR system) you can visually verify altitude differences and lateral distances. Simply put, if the target is not within the limits of where the FCR is currently searching, outside the gimbals, it won’t see the target. I suspect that that has happened here, but we can’t be sure unless we know where the 29 was.
In the first post in this thread is screenshot with a (faint) red rectangle in the picture. This is where the four MiGs were. They were not that far away, they were barely visible at 80° FOV on a 4K screen with smart scaling on.
My FCR was set to TWS with the scan area slewed to the left (where the MiGs were). Here is the picture (slightly cropped) again. The MiGs are in the extreme top left of the picture.From other angles than from head on (side, rear) the MiGs are detected so I could engage them from behind.
-
In the first post in this thread is screenshot with a (faint) red rectangle in the picture. This is where the four MiGs were. They were not that far away, they were barely visible at 80° FOV on a 4K screen with smart scaling on.
My FCR was set to TWS with the scan area slewed to the left (where the MiGs were). Here is the picture (slightly cropped) again. The MiGs are in the extreme top left of the picture.From other angles than from head on (side, rear) the MiGs are detected so I could engage them from behind.
Glad you’re still posting here.
I’ll try to sum my feelings up here.1. Difficut to say if your radar is currently configured correctly to spot the contacts. It’s scanning 02-25 at 20 miles; I wouldn’t assume too much about the exact position of the -29, altitude wise in particular; your answer could be there. Planehazza already hinted in that direction. But you implied you knew this kind of things from other experiences, so I’ll assume they’re really likely to be in the conus. Also, you’re mentioning the -29’s attitude. If they are beaming (showing you one of their side), they will be hard to spot, not to say invisible, because that’s how Doppler radars work. But you seem to say it is not the case.
2. Instant Action and Dogfight modes aren’t necessarily given the love you’d expect to draw conclusions from what you experience there. I can’t say for this matter in particular, but don’t use it to test things extensively. You’re saying your problems start with a a particular “wave” of fighters, if I understood correctly. This is rather evocative of something related to the game mode more than anything, provided you’re not experiencing one of the above.Let us know how it is in TE and campaigns. Anyway, it’s in the latter you’ll want to spend time
-
You could fly MP and I’m sure someone can help you get to the bottom of it; lots of experienced fliers out there.
-
From the screenshot, in my opinion, there is no way they were in the radar cone, especially in TWS 3 bars.
-
From the screenshot, in my opinion, there is no way they were in the radar cone, especially in TWS 3 bars.
I just don’t think there’s anyway we can prove it either way from that image. Scaling, resolution, jpg compression… they all affect the visual size of the target, which I can’t even see within the image. You could argue that the bandit is at FL200 at 30nm, but you really don’t know that for sure with out an ACMI. You need to know those precisely to tell whether it’s within the cone or note.
-
Crap, I was looking at his radar wrong. disregard previous comment.
You can put labels on, go in again and confirm the distance, freeze and do another test.
-
I think I got it where I can state it properly this time.
Your alt at 13,420 gives scan of 22/5 at 20 miles. That gives 18/9 at 10 miles. And 16/11 at 5 miles. _If he is close, and in your screenshot I see he is high.
All he would have to be is at alt 17,000 at 5 miles and you don’t get the return.
Or him at 19,0000 at 10 miles.I can see either being very possible._
-
I can tell you from personal experience that the first round of Mig-29’s “spawn” at 30k. So considering his radar scan area, the OP does not have his FCR pointed in the correct elevation to detect the Migs.
-
I can tell you from personal experience that the first round of Mig-29’s “spawn” at 30k. So considering his radar scan area, the OP does not have his FCR pointed in the correct elevation to detect the Migs.
Agreed, Well then if they were at 23,000+ at 20 miles he wouldn’t get them there either.
-
In fairness to the OP, I gotta say that the first time I went into Instant Action today to test his issue, I got the strangest TWS response.
Bandits were close ( I had labels on to test) but TWS showed nothing until I pulled right 45 degrees and they showed up center FCR.
But nothing showing on labels there, that flight back to my left (labels) was still there.I can’t get it to repeat. So to the OP, perhaps you could keep an eye out for this.
Wish I could repeat it in case it’s my screw up. But the second I saw it I thought WTFrick?:???:
Then I thought, maybe he’s seeing a bug. I’m open to that possiblity.I ain’t trying to pile on his FCR skills so gotta mention this weirdness I saw once.
-
@Axe:
In fairness to the OP, I gotta say that the first time I went into Instant Action today to test his issue, I got the strangest TWS response.
Bandits were close ( I had labels on to test) but TWS showed nothing until I pulled right 45 degrees and they showed up center FCR.
But nothing showing on labels there, that flight back to my left (labels) was still there.I can’t get it to repeat. So to the OP, perhaps you could keep an eye out for this.
Wish I could repeat it in case it’s my screw up. But the second I saw it I thought WTFrick?:???:
Then I thought, maybe he’s seeing a bug. I’m open to that possiblity.I ain’t trying to pile on his FCR skills so gotta mention this weirdness I saw once.
That’s where my 2. comes in
-
That’s where my 2. comes in
Your 2 cents has a lot of value. Glad you motivated me to revisit your post. I had missed where you mentioned about him scanning 25/2 at 20. I had read your post but that didn’t set in.
If I could repeat the oddity, my plan was to go to TE module next. I’m not going there unless it’s repeatable though as I’m not sure of all that was relevant at the time
I hit the oddity. I’ll try again in instant action module, later.But I suspect it was really the part where your glad he’s still posting.
Me too. -
Actually, it really seems to be an altitude thing. It also happens with other bandits way above me, for example with me at 30k and some MiG 25 even higher.
But even when I point my nose upwards the FCR won’t detect them. Or doesn’t pointing the nose upwards also move the radar cone upwards?
Next time I will try to get on the bandit’s altitude before trying to engage them. -
Actually, it really seems to be an altitude thing. It also happens with other bandits way above me, for example with me at 30k and some MiG 25 even higher.
But even when I point my nose upwards the FCR won’t detect them. Or doesn’t pointing the nose upwards also move the radar cone upwards?
Next time I will try to get on the bandit’s altitude before trying to engage them.Radar cone is ground stabilized and does not follow the plane’s attitude… You scan higher by setting the radar antenna elevation, not by piloting your plane
-
if the mig is at the red rectangle then it’s not an altitude issue.
The red rectangle must be around 17kft to 22kftNow we don’t know how far it is.
It’s not close cause it doesn’t show up visually so it must be more than 10 miles? also depends on smart scalling settings.so the q is if it’s in the cone. side offset.
Anyone good with trigonometry?
Or any acmi recording?Edit: reconsidering…
wrong calculations.
It must be an altitude issue.
There is a water surface under the red square. u can see it barely.
that water surface must be close to the terrain level of the F-16 current position and looks like it’s about vertically underneath the red square.now using horizon the lake and the center of the red square as reference and measuring the distances. the red square must be around 40kft.
from water to horizon is 6,32mm and this is the 13.420ft from water to red square is 19,06mm thus 40.472ft. -
I finally got it. It was an antenna elevation issue. Now I can also detect targets above/below me. I haven’t found a place on my HOTAS for it, but I will find one. Thanks to everyone.
-
OMG :shock:
-
I do believe that is exactly what I said the issue was.