Tutorial video: Full ILS approach procedure
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Love it LOVE IT!! To **RISCfuture…**Esxcellent done video but its missing an important thing that noobs just do not know.You probably could edit it in or at least the first one I encountered.When you went to set altimeter you overlooked the issue that noobs do not know about QFE QNE QNH.So you called tower and then pressed one but did not explain which one.I have no idea what will happen if you chosse wrong one but from what I gather you can be off somehow.
I’m a NOOB and I don’t understand one bit of the video.
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I suggest you stop flooding all threads with your unability to understand the tutorials.
If you need Krause to better explain it to you, I suggest you get in touch with him rather than flooding all ILS threads here !! -
Nice video, Stretch.
I already knew how to do a TACAN and ILS approach but didn’t have a clue what the airport maps were for.You’re picking up Toad’s fast moving style that makes you feel like you’re getting your money’s worth.
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Just watched this. Awesome video.
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warning topic necro
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Hey guys, I made a tutorial video showing you how to read and understand approach charts, and techniques for IFR flying and approach flying in the F-16. It clocks in at about 30 minutes and moves quickly. Enjoy!
I took another look at your you-tube video, especially at 22.55 where you show the position of the Teardrop and Parallel sectors for a right turn. The Teardrop is on the left and parallel is on the right. Long ago I asked you a question about this video and you sent me a reply that had this: Now I’m wondering which is the correct?
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They’re both correct.
The diagram in the video and the images you have are looking at the problem in two different ways.
This picture should clear it up:
Note the outbound course of the holding pattern. Visualize it on your HSI. Right turns, right thumb. If the outbound course falls into the teardrop section - teardrop entry.
There are different ways to use the thumb (I like Sporty’s)
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Hello everyone,
In my humble opinion, this is one of the best
tutorials I’ve seen on Falcon BMS TACAN and ILS landing tutorial.
To those who have doubts about this subject, watch the video, improve your learning curve !!
Link:
Good Flights, to all !!
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They’re both correct.
The diagram in the video and the images you have are looking at the problem in two different ways.
This picture should clear it up:
https://i.gyazo.com/c627410885e451c6dbd9abb7fde561dc.png
Note the outbound course of the holding pattern. Visualize it on your HSI. Right turns, right thumb. If the outbound course falls into the teardrop section - teardrop entry.
https://i.gyazo.com/675adff58860351ed2f02fa3c283157b.png
There are different ways to use the thumb (I like Sporty’s)
same concept:I still don’t see it. Here, side by side is Stretch’s hold at 23.08 and his other picture. Stretch at 23.08 shows inbound STD right turn and his other picture also shows inbound STD right turn. Yet the teardrop is not in the same place.
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Look harder.
You’ll see that the second image is from the pilot’s POV and is for noting what zone the OUTBOUND COURSE falls into.
Standard direction (right hand holding pattern), teardrop.
Standard direction, parallel.
Left hand turns, direct.
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wow, look at that, it magically works :lol:
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Look harder.
You’ll see that the second image is from the pilot’s POV and is for noting what zone the OUTBOUND COURSE falls into.
Standard direction (right hand holding pattern), teardrop.
https://i.gyazo.com/c627410885e451c6dbd9abb7fde561dc.png
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I looked harder and I’m still am not sure. I turned your first image +90°. Your image seems to confirm that #2 is correct, not #3.
Here are the 3 images side by side. The second and third image were provided by Stretch. Hopefully he, or you, or anyone else
can explain why image #3 is different than image 1 and 2, especially because Stretch cited www.langleyflyingschool.com image
handbook for image #3.My understanding of the thumb stuff would mean #3 is correct. So although it seems like #1 confirms #2 I still have my doubts. Can
anyone definitively say #3 is incorrect and notify me, or maybe Langley Flying School, before it’s too late!#1 #2 #3
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Dude, you are terribly confused. THEY ARE ALL CORRECT.
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wow, look at that, it magically works :lol:
Is your example only applicable when the pilot is heading 360°. What happens when the pilot approaches the fix on a different heading?
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Maybe you should study the multiple examples I posted a little harder……
Look at the two teardrop (orange) zones in this picture. Why do you think they are on “opposite” sides…?You’re aware that the heading indicator in the bottom right is what the pilot of the plane in the top left is seeing in his cockpit, correct?
He is applying the thumb trick - “Right turns, right thumb” and then he is noting the outbound course…. correct?
The outbound course falls in the parallel zone on his heading indicator… correct?So what’s the issue?
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@jc1:
I looked harder and I’m still am not sure. I turned your first image +90°. Your image seems to confirm that #2 is correct, not #3.
Here are the 3 images side by side. The second and third image were provided by Stretch. Hopefully he, or you, or anyone else
can explain why image #3 is different than image 1 and 2, especially because Stretch cited www.langleyflyingschool.com image
handbook for image #3.My understanding of the thumb stuff would mean #3 is correct. So although it seems like #1 confirms #2 I still have my doubts. Can
anyone definitively say #3 is incorrect and notify me, or maybe Langley Flying School, before it’s too late!#1 #2 #3
Dude, you are terribly confused. THEY ARE ALL CORRECT.
Yeah, I’m still confused. Bear with me. #1 and #2 both have Teardrop in the upper left. #3 has teardrop in the upper right. How is #3 the same as #2 or #1?
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Because #1 and #2 are a God’s eye view of the aircraft & holding pattern. If the aircraft approaches from the teardrop zone, pilot uses teardrop entry. But this is somewhat difficult to visualize in the cockpit.
So the pilot uses #3, which flips things around a bit. He visualizes #3 overlay-ed on top of his heading indicator/HSI,
it’s a right hand holding pattern, so he places his right thumb in the top right of the heading indicator - that 70 deg is the teardrop. He draws a line down the middle. The 110 deg to the opposite side (left) is the parallel. Everything below is direct.
Now, he notes the outbound course of the holding pattern. With #3, if the outbound course falls in the teardrop zone, he uses teardrop entry.
If you use #3 correctly, the result is the same as #1 & #2. They’re all correct. Source: Sporty’s Instrument Course, Jeppesen Instrument Commercial Manual, FAA Instrument Flying Handbook… etc etc. Need to trust me on this one. :lol:
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Maybe you should study the multiple examples I posted a little harder……
Look at the two teardrop (orange) zones in this picture. Why do you think they are on “opposite” sides…?https://i.gyazo.com/5a9516c7eff59b8c7b004501ceb84dd1.png
You’re aware that the heading indicator in the bottom right is what the pilot of the plane in the top left is seeing in his cockpit, correct?
He is applying the thumb trick - “Right turns, right thumb” and then he is noting the outbound course…. correct?
The outbound course falls in the parallel zone on his heading indicator… correct?So what’s the issue?
Because #1 and #2 are a God’s eye view of the aircraft & holding pattern. If the aircraft approaches from the teardrop zone, pilot uses teardrop entry. But this is somewhat difficult to visualize in the cockpit.
So the pilot uses #3, which flips things around a bit. He visualizes #3 overlay-ed on top of his heading indicator/HSI,
it’s a right hand holding pattern, so he places his right thumb in the top right of the heading indicator - that 70 deg is the teardrop. He draws a line down the middle. The 110 deg to the opposite side (left) is the parallel. Everything below is direct.
https://i.gyazo.com/675adff58860351ed2f02fa3c283157b.png
Now, he notes the outbound course of the holding pattern. With #3, if the outbound course falls in the teardrop zone, he uses teardrop entry.
If you use #3 correctly, the result is the same as #1 & #2. They’re all correct. Source: Sporty’s Instrument Course, Jeppesen Instrument Commercial Manual, FAA Instrument Flying Handbook… etc etc. Need to trust me on this one. :lol:
Finally, your posts #71 and 73 got me to clearly get it. Not just those 2 but all your other ones where you stayed with me throughout my confusion about this. Confused no more. Thanks a million, gza.
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After all the help from gza036 and reading Red Dog’s very helpful stuff in the BMS Comms-Nav book, particularly section 3.2.5 Holding Procedures and watching Stretches video, I made a chart of the patterns. It’s just my way of illustrating all the patterns in one chart. Thanks again, Stretch, Red Dog and gza.