V sync debate (cleaned from JH topic)
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sorry wolfox321 but your approach and arguments are not that correct or let me put it in an other way, they don’t cover the whole spectrum and what wee talk about.
There are many many many cards that don’t have the turbo mode you mention, in fact i never heard such for gpu. For cpu yes and if you leave them with stock settings it is not good for flight Sims.For the textures terrain and the rest you mention is also not to the point cause you forget other affecting factors, also the fact that falcon terrain is not that complex or heavy is a good thing for the overall engine performance. We prefer a lesser terrain than a terrain causing a slideshow. Oh and its not just terrain, u forget zillion other stuff.
But here the issue talked is throughput. In large resolutions the gpu must have the horsepower and bw to deliver all that data when it should.
It’s not just to calculate the gfx of a single full hd monitor.
About the old code you mention let me remind you that gfx engine was upgraded to dx9 recently.
I dont know if code holds up fps , maybe, but that’s cause of cpu and not gpu. Last dont forget the volume that the falcon engine has to cope with, which NO other SIM has. Objects units bubbles dynamic campaign.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-T818A using Tapatalk
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If the FPS goes in VSYNC to lower than 60FPS/HZs than the Video Card will try to go Turbo to compsite this… the Video card always tries to match the screen hz (60). in other words - the video card is doing the best he can to give always a 60FPS… but when there are points where he can’t do that, over his limits, he’ll go turbo and try even more and that’s gonna make things even worse…its gonna drop the fps even more because its trying to go over the limit - just like F16 … When the Video card is below 60, it will try to go turbo - like F-16 would NOSE UP… now when u nose up - its not gonna get you higher if u can’t climb. lets say you are flying 120 knots, and u try to get 60,000fts - u nose up - and bang u go all the way down… because u just don’t have the power to go up into the sky and getting your nose pitched up will makes things even worse… so that’s the same thing with the video cards… only that the new GTX-10XX Series of cards are very powerful and when they nose up - they got the afterburnner to do that. and they don’t drop FPS but they actually climb to 60,000FT or if u will 60FPS =]
http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.mediajoint.prx.org/public/piece_images/397288/vertical_small.jpg
LOL dude you have no clue what you are on about mate, Vsync is just a way to limit the framerates to match up with your displays refresh rate. You can’t magically generate extra frames. If you drop below your screens refresh rate you will just get screen tearing. This “turbo” mode you are referring to is just GPU boost 2.0/3.0 that overclocks the GPU automatically in any situation. There’s no “turbo” mode that magically pushes the card to create more frames. I am not even sure if you are being serious. The cards clock rates can vary but it’s in no way linked to Vsync. Gsync or AMD’s freesync are just variable refresh rate synced. It’s a piece of hardware/software in the monitor that allows the refresh rate to follow the framerate. So you can get tear free gaming at any framerate/refresh rate. Please stop talking about stuff that you have no idea about. Thanks.
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we are on JanHas Models and skins thread.
The initial q was about using those models and skins and triple monitor or very high resolutions in Falcon BMS and the impact or what to do regarding FPS.If you are talking about the thing that we talked already about a vast 3d model instead of BMS terrain and photoreal textures for that model well I believe you got your answers already. If you don’t remember them I believe they are there in the other thread and you can read them.
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Here is your Falcon
While some other sims look like thisWhich are these other sims? I am interested to know.
I can asure you that we
Who exactly are withing that “we” word? A team, group, etc.? Is there a forum or site somewhere so we can find out details about this new; simulation?
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You guys really talk alot… Here is your Falcon :
https://i.ibb.co/BCrjn6w/falcon4-0-falcon-bms-f4-update-4-33-benchmark-sims.jpg
While some other sims look like this :
https://i.ibb.co/CKMKqrR/2019-09-21-051857.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GV0dX6f/2019-09-21-042958.jpgand Arty I can asure you that we dont use terrain in the way you think we use…
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You guys really talk alot… Here is your Falcon :
https://i.ibb.co/BCrjn6w/falcon4-0-falcon-bms-f4-update-4-33-benchmark-sims.jpg
While some other sims look like this :
https://i.ibb.co/CKMKqrR/2019-09-21-051857.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/GV0dX6f/2019-09-21-042958.jpgand Arty I can asure you that we dont use terrain in the way you think we use…
https://i.ibb.co/N38MxTX/2019-09-27-205456.jpgOkay let me give you a rundown on something you don’t know. Falcon BMS FPS is not limited to graphics it is limited to CPU because it is a full fledged simulator with a dynamic campaign that simulates the F16 to a very realistic degree more than any other sim that exists today. That said the CPU has to make millions of calculations per second the AI and full fledged air and ground war of the dynamic campaign that is not present in any other simulator except maybe comanche vs hokum and Falcons engine is limited to 1 thread maybe two but not a full 2. You can post pics of other sims as much as you like but that doenst change the fact that Falcon BMS is still a better simulator in every other regard. So go play your “good graphic” arcade games nobody is stopping you.
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Falcon BMS simulates the F16 to a very realistic degree more than any other sim that exists today
Sorry to bust your bubble but you live in a very naive world if you think Falcon is realistic , needless to say Falcon BMS doesn’t have 1 thing that is realistic …
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Sorry to bust your bubble but you live in a very naive world if you think Falcon is realistic , needless to say Falcon BMS doesn’t have 1 things that is realistic … But its a game for the public so I think its ok that it’ll stay that way… but you dont have 1 things right - even the amount of fuel the tank fuels are taking… but I will not get into details - in total that statement of Falcon is Realisic is just wrong.
If that’s how you truly feel, why not **** off somewhere else then?
Edit - isn’t a bitch when you try to retract your nonsense after someone has quoted you…? LOL
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Sorry to bust your bubble but you live in a very naive world if you think Falcon is realistic , needless to say Falcon BMS doesn’t have 1 thing that is realistic …
uh, we have a real F-16 pilot, here….
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I don’t understand why we accept people on this forum who use use the linerty of expression to insult a teams work on their forum. I think it is sad.
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Sorry to bust your bubble but you live in a very naive world if you think Falcon is realistic , needless to say Falcon BMS doesn’t have 1 thing that is realistic …
Haaaaa I see that you want to enter into the flight modeling debate
You might have chosen the wrong topic mate
Okay I am your man
Please tell me what is not realistic in the fuel transfer system
Or maybe you want to talk about the fuel rate across the flight
Or maybe you are just talking about the fuel total quantity ? Which reservoir do you refer to ?
Please explain to me
Which block btw ? Careful with the gauge measurement error that is also unrealistically modeled LOL
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Sorry to bust your bubble but you live in a very naive world if you think Falcon is realistic , needless to say Falcon BMS doesn’t have 1 things that is realistic … But its a game for the public so I think its ok that it’ll stay that way… but you dont have 1 things right - even the amount of fuel the tank fuels are taking… but I will not get into details - in total that statement of Falcon is Realisic is just wrong.
He doesn’t want to get into details…
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Haaaaa I see that you want to enter into the flight modeling debate
You might have chosen the wrong topic mate
Okay I am your man
Please tell me what is not realistic in the fuel transfer system
Or maybe you want to talk about the fuel rate across the flight
Or maybe you are just talking about the fuel total quantity ? Which reservoir do you refer to ?
Please explain to me
Which block btw ? Careful with the gauge measurement error that is also unrealistically modeled LOL
Good argument, Bullseye!
Although i gotta give it to him Just a small little bit, and that bit is mostly regarding some cockpits models (you know what i’m talking about), but hopefully i’ll fix that bit. -
Refer to post#1
“This will be the one and only “JanHas Models & Skins” Thread.”Why do you gents fill this thread with garbage and off-topics discussions?
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I don’t understand why we accept people on this forum who use use the linerty of expression to insult a teams work on their forum. I think it is sad.
Because debating ideas, right or wrong is not insulting and the purpose of any forum
You cannot silence a troll just because he says BMS is not realistic.
If moderation does that, we will end up in a bisounours world populated only with bisounours liking exclusively other bisounours.
That’s not the purpose of the forum. If you can’t stand it, Don’t read it.You guys need to grow a thicker skin and fight for what you believe rather than being offended by the opinion of other ppl, however mislead they are.
Let’s face it, what JP does is exactly what need to be done here, it’s very obvious WF statement are just plain wrong. and it should be very easy to prove him wrong.
Either that: rub his nose in the dirt and prove him wrong in a gentleman’s manner or ignoring the troll is what you guys need to do.If you feed the troll stupidly by saying counterproductive things in here you just play the troll’s game and you make the situation worse.
Mav’ JP just showed you all how we should react to these comments.
Frankly the guy’s argument has been proven wrong here so many times, who still Believe his statement?
I just laught when I see another one, Don’t be offended, just prove him wrong - that’s easyThat’s called a constructive debate (although started from a destructive statement- which is far from being respectable I fully agree with that)
That thread drifting towards a more constructive discussion is proof of maturity and how this Community should react.
It’s no more complicated than waiting for someone else to do the job with moderation action.
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@Red:
Because debating ideas, right or wrong is not insulting and the purpose of any forum
You cannot silence a troll just because he says BMS is not realistic.
If moderation does that, we will end up in a bisounours world populated only with bisounours liking exclusively other bisounours.
That’s not the purpose of the forum. If you can’t stand it, Don’t read it.You guys need to grow a thicker skin and fight for what you believe rather than being offended by the opinion of other ppl, however mislead they are.
I beg to differ:
[b]7\. Trolling, Attacks and Flaming: These are always forbidden.[/b] [b]Trolling is posting in a way that provokes emotional responses.[/b] Attacks and derogatory terms of any kind are not welcome Flames are messages that personally attack or call any people names or otherwise harass. These, along with any generally condescending posts will be edited or removed at the moderator’s discretion. If a thread is flame-bait[b] (appears to be intended to start an argument or is likely to cause an argument rather than enhance discussion, as in trolling)[/b], it will be locked or removed without notice. Individual flame-bait comments in a post will be deleted or edited at the moderators' discretion. If the thread turns into an argument, it will be closed to further comment or removed without notice. Sometimes a moderator may split the thread or remove certain portions in order to keep the discussion going, this is not always possible. Continuous or deliberate attempts to derail the topic of a thread. [b]Repeated attempts to push the boundaries of any element of this entire policy[/b] that in the opinion of a moderator amount to a provocation or annoyance will result in sanctions just as surely as actual failure to follow the entire policy.
… which leads me to wonder, why is Wolfox321 still afforded posting and even reading privileges on these forums?
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Shrug Opinions are like arse holes, everybody has one. I really don’t care what Wolfox321 has to say about BMS and realism. Every PC desktop flight simulator (BMS, DCS, XPlane, P3D, the upcoming FS2020) is an approximation and compromise - simulation isn’t emulation. Despite that, Falcon BMS feels pretty realistic to me. And that’s all I care about.
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I beg to differ:
[b]7\. Trolling, Attacks and Flaming: These are always forbidden.[/b] [b]Trolling is posting in a way that provokes emotional responses.[/b] Attacks and derogatory terms of any kind are not welcome Flames are messages that personally attack or call any people names or otherwise harass. These, along with any generally condescending posts will be edited or removed at the moderator’s discretion. If a thread is flame-bait[b] (appears to be intended to start an argument or is likely to cause an argument rather than enhance discussion, as in trolling)[/b], it will be locked or removed without notice. Individual flame-bait comments in a post will be deleted or edited at the moderators' discretion. If the thread turns into an argument, it will be closed to further comment or removed without notice. Sometimes a moderator may split the thread or remove certain portions in order to keep the discussion going, this is not always possible. Continuous or deliberate attempts to derail the topic of a thread. [b]Repeated attempts to push the boundaries of any element of this entire policy[/b] that in the opinion of a moderator amount to a provocation or annoyance will result in sanctions just as surely as actual failure to follow the entire policy.
… which leads me to wonder, why is Wolfox321 still afforded posting and even reading privileges on these forums?
Very good point and fair.
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Shrug Opinions are like arse holes, everybody has one. I really don’t care what Wolfox321 has to say about BMS and realism. Every PC desktop flight simulator (BMS, DCS, XPlane, P3D, the upcoming FS2020) is an approximation and compromise - simulation isn’t emulation. Despite that, Falcon BMS feels pretty realistic to me. And that’s all I care about.
I agree with you tazz, specially the last part of your opinion, i do also believe that bms is quite reallistic, although everyone has their opinion of what realism is, some think is graphics some think is about sounds, etc, and imho we should just proof him wrong, and avoid any type of rage outburts, in other words, treat haters profesionally, is he/she post a hate post just lets proove his argument might be wrong, if he keeps posting nonsense hating posts then we’ll deal with him according to the rules,
If we let ourselves to tell the haters to **** off, someone will spread the word that we, the Falcon BMS Community treat haters unprofessionally, making us look unmature.Thats my honest 2 cents