Cougar & Realsimulator update
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I’ve read a lot about this, and fixes for it - the metal in the Cougar and WH grips is a bit soft, and the RealSim ones being engineered for use with a force-sensing base from the start is a really valid point. The thing I don’t like about the RealSim grip are all the extra 5-way switches where they should only be single press action. Other than that, they look to rock.
It depends on how much use you put on the system really…and which one you are using. I have an FC3 and a RibbStick and I could see it being possible to over-muscle the RibbStick. I’m already planning a reinforcing collar or to build a more supportive attach mount nut for my WH grip.
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I’ve been using the FSSBR3 since March and it’s been great. Been using it with the Cougar stick and no issues.
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It’s a log-term thing, so you haven’t been at it long enough to notice. I just took a grab at my Cougar stick/FCC3 combination, and it’s a bit rocky in both pitch and roll axes. Can feel it “bump”. Been about 5-6 years that I’ve had it in this config.
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It’s a log-term thing, so you haven’t been at it long enough to notice. I just took a grab at my Cougar stick/FCC3 combination, and it’s a bit rocky in both pitch and roll axes. Can feel it “bump”. Been about 5-6 years that I’ve had it in this config.
a bit Comparing apple with oranges as FCC3 is not FSSBR3
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I have the FSSBR3L and originally used it with the warthog grip but then upgraded to the real simulator grip only because the warthog grip was never designed for the pressures that having the force sensing grip require. So the neck of the warthog isn’t strong enough and becomes loose and is very noticeable when used with the FSSBR3L base.
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I have the FSSB R2 on my Cougar base (but using a Warthog grip on it) … no issues since I have it (2006).
However, to prevent any possible breakup in the future, I bought this recently : https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005001556985908.html
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I have the FSSB R2 on my Cougar base (but using a Warthog grip on it) … no issues since I have it (2006).
However, to prevent any possible breakup in the future, I bought this recently : https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005001556985908.html
Wow 11$ for a 3d printed part that not more than 5 cents of material cost. I might produce those and sell them for half the price
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I bought it 5€.
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I have the FSSBR3L and originally used it with the warthog grip but then upgraded to the real simulator grip only because the warthog grip was never designed for the pressures that having the force sensing grip require. So the neck of the warthog isn’t strong enough and becomes loose and is very noticeable when used with the FSSBR3L base.
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do you think the same thing will happen with the cougar?
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It also depends on your force sensing settings as you can go from as low as just registering a slight touch wich your fingertip as up to having to pull as in a workout
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Wow 11$ for a 3d printed part that not more than 5 cents of material cost. I might produce those and sell them for half the price
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I’ll be your first customer, put me down for 2 please!
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does the fssb-r3l have the option of small play around the center?
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a bit Comparing apple with oranges as FCC3 is not FSSBR3
Same situation in principle…and the metal in the grip doesn’t change - that is the weak link.
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does the fssb-r3l have the option of small play around the center?
And that’s another part of the problem - the smaller you make the play, the more pronounced and noticeable the wobble around 0-0 becomes. It’s fine inputs that suffer.
Given that most of the people I read/follow are cockpit builders, they tend to try and set up realistic input pulls - like 25 lbf in pitch for full “deflection”. However, it’s real easy to exceed 25 lbf if you get into the sim and your adrenaline is pumping - especially if you are new to it.
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and what about emulation files, I currently have Cougar_DX files downloaded to the foxy what will be the alternative file for FSSB-R3L?
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There aren’t any “files” per se with RealSim gear - RealSim hardware is managed using the HID_DEV_TOOL and DCC, found here -
https://realsimulator.com/downloads/
You can download and install to take a look at the interface, but you will have to set up all of your assignments using the RealSim tools. Not a big deal, as the RealSim software is very well done - I use it with my TUSBA R2. In fact…now that I think about it a bit, I may have double assignments in my interface…it works, but I don’t think I could tell you just what/which BMS is actually using for my TQS assignments - BMS Setup or RealSim…but it works.
Edit: their documentation is most excellent too. Check the Users Manual, starting on page 126. Pages 126 through 141 specifically address setting up a Cougar or Warthog stick grip for BMS with the FSSB-R3. (I’ve almost talked myself into buying one of these…)
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I recently bought a very lightly-used FSSB R3 Warthog Lightning base and RS-F16-RG-HOM stick from another BMS forum user, but at the moment I’m using my Warthog stick on the Realsimulator base.
That’s not because of any problems with the Realsimulator stick. The stick works quite well, although I can see Stevie’s point, about how the 5-way-hat nature of (nearly all of) the buttons could be off-putting. I plan to use the Realsimulator stick in the future, but I’m using the Warthog stick for now, because my BMS setup is a purely desktop setup.
My throttle and stick are just sitting on a tabletop, and it’s a little bit higher than I’d like, because it’s a dining-room table. This places the stick well above the level of my elbow, which is pretty sub-optimal. I wish the stick was right in front of the arm rest on my chair, but the table is in the way. So, for the moment, the stick is up high on the tabletop.
That makes the Realsimulator stick not quite work for me, because it’s got a built-in forward lean to it. More than the Warthog stick does. On the Realsimulator stick, the aft edge of the “flange” on which your hand rests is tilted up in such a way that it presses uncomfortably into my hand when used as part of this desktop setup. That’s not the fault of the stick, it’s the fault of the too-high tabletop on which my stick sits.
If I get a new desk and chair, I will hopefully be able to use table mounts or chair mounts, and bring the throttle handle and the stick down until they’re in front of my elbows. The the forward lean of the Realsimulator stick will fit well. I hope to be able to use such a setup in the future. The Monstertech chair has got me intrigued…
So, I guess the soft metal at the base of my WH stick will likely suffer, and will lead to some play in the stick, but maybe not too much, since my current setup (hopefully) won’t be forever. Also, since I can’t exert much force on the stick, due to its high placement, I have both axes of my stick set to only about 2 lbs each. So I don’t think the Warthog is suffering too much, yet.
Upshot: I like the FSSB R3 base, I can make more delicate control inputs with it, such as during AAR. Initially, it has taken some getting used to, but I think it’s better for fine detail work, such as getting on the boom and staying on it. When I’m practicing AAR, I find that I can hold the stick very lightly, and since it moves essentially not at all, I just let myself feel the very slight elasticity of the skin on my fingers, thumb, and palm. Just working within the slight “play” that’s inherent in the flesh of my hand is the “regime” in which I make stick inputs during AAR. I think it works pretty well. I guess if I were a real Viper driver, I’d be using the slight “play” in the fabric of my glove, too, when I was close to the tanker.
Stevie’s right that the Realsimulator manual is good. You have to read it in a lot of detail, definitely make sure you don’t miss anything. But the details are in there, and after some careful reading, I got my [TUSBA R2 + Cougar throttle] and my [FSSB R3 + Warthog stick] set up in a way that works well for me.
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thank you very much for all feedback, last night I pulled the trigger on the FSSB R3L base with TUSBA and the angle adapter. Let’s see how that goes when they arrive. Thank you Setvie for bringing up the point about tusba file in BMS, didn’t know it was there.
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ok I finally got the package today of FSSB R3 lightining, plate, TUSBA, and angle adapter. Let’s see how it goes, so far the radar cursor is off centered and the plane is real sluggish with the stick’s input. Perhaps some work needs to be done on it.
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I believe this is a tool for calibration, but the whole page doesn’t show up!
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I believe this is a tool for calibration, but the hole page doesn’t show up!
What do you think is missing? I see exactly the same thing with the TUSBA R2 tab selected.