Idle Cut off question on Throttle
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Hi, K,
I just checked my 4.35 AL settings.
What I have is TQS:Cutoff release-idle detent-idle as DX29 release
“” “” “” “”" -off as DX29 HOLD and DX30 HOLD
You dx values may differ, but if memory serves here’s the procedure-
Blu is right that the throttle doesn’t “see” movement below idle, but it will treat it as a “switch” . Put the throttle at idle, select Idle detent-Off, and move the throttles past the detent. Save that then repeat with a release command for Idle detent-idle.
That should get you workingJust to follow up…
Oak got me to thinking about keyfiles, and as per usual in AL I’m using the BMS-Full. Also, BTW, the “Idle Cutout” in configuration is not checked.Also, I don’t set detent via the UI. The red line sits at the bottom of the scale. -
Left mouse button and right mouse button set the red and green line (or the other way around). There’s no good reason to use the axis-value-based method for the Warthog though.
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I have it working with alt launcher. Make sure idle cutoff in the config is turned off/unchecked. Set your warthog throttle idle cutoffs keybinds like this:
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I have it working with alt launcher. Make sure idle cutoff in the config is turned off/unchecked. Set your warthog throttle idle cutoffs keybinds like this:
I must be missing something, I set my Warthog throttle up in Alt Launcher Axis Assign and it couldn’t be easier.
Select “Assign” for Throttle, pull back to Idle Detent stop (top pic), click “Idle Detent” button. Push throttle forward to the AB stop, click “Set AB” button. Save and done. Push past the AB stop and bar turns green and says “AB”, lift past Idle stop and bar turns red and says “Idle Cutoff”. Just be sure you have full travel (if not increase Saturation until bar is full)
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Depends on how your Warthog throttle is calibrated. From the factory, the axis is zeroed against the idle stop. It can be recalibrated so that the axis continues to register past the idle stop and that would work for the axis cutoff just like you say. Personally, I feel that’s just extra work for no reward since the simulated dx buttons do the same thing without recalibrating the throttle axis.
Here’s a post about recalibrating the throttle to register aft of the idle stop https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/printthread.php?t=34805&pp=10&page=1
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There are two methods, axis/threshold or button/callback.
The axis method requires some method to have different axis value between the two positions (TARGET or calibration trick), cutoff config option enabled, and the click line set. The button method is 0% axis at idle, cutoff option disabled, click line irrelevant.
With rare alternative the Warthog should use the button method.
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I must be missing something, I set my Warthog throttle up in Alt Launcher Axis Assign and it couldn’t be easier.
Select “Assign” for Throttle, pull back to Idle Detent stop (top pic), click “Idle Detent” button. Push throttle forward to the AB stop, click “Set AB” button. Save and done. Push past the AB stop and bar turns green and says “AB”, lift past Idle stop and bar turns red and says “Idle Cutoff”. Just be sure you have full travel (if not increase Saturation until bar is full)
Hi, Icer. Keep in mind we’re discussing two things. Setting detent is like setting a button or switch. For that, my setup as per my earlier post works perfectly for me. The axis’ are another matter.
I previously had a problem and the solution may help you. The problem I had was the throttle axis’ would “creep” if set in AL. Just a quirk of my setup, apparently.So, I just set them in the UI. Just keep in mind that if you do so, enter BMS via the regular Launcher . If you go in via AL, you have to reset the axis’ and burner. -
Hi, Icer. Keep in mind we’re discussing two things. Setting detent is like setting a button or switch. For that, my setup as per my earlier post works perfectly for me. The axis’ are another matter.
I previously had a problem and the solution may help you. The problem I had was the throttle axis’ would “creep” if set in AL. Just a quirk of my setup, apparently.So, I just set them in the UI. Just keep in mind that if you do so, enter BMS via the regular Launcher . If you go in via AL, you have to reset the axis’ and burner.Odd. I never set anything in Target, straight from the factory it worked the way I described in AL. I do understand the the Idle should just be like an on/off switch and the 1" of movement is wasted, but that works fine. I get no creep or movement after setting up in AL, it has stayed consistent since Day 1. I did have to recalibrate in AL after putting in the AB mod but that’s mostly due to my own feel and how hard I push against the new AB “stop”… and I start BMS from AL every time, never needs a reset…
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Odd. I never set anything in Target, straight from the factory it worked the way I described in AL. I do understand the the Idle should just be like an on/off switch and the 1" of movement is wasted, but that works fine. I get no creep or movement after setting up in AL, it has stayed consistent since Day 1. I did have to recalibrate in AL after putting in the AB mod but that’s mostly due to my own feel and how hard I push against the new AB “stop”… and I start BMS from AL every time, never needs a reset…
Concur about Target. I don’t do anything with it.
I’ve never bothered trying to brainstorm that quirk of my system. I’m glad that aspect works for you. -
I must be missing something, I set my Warthog throttle up in Alt Launcher Axis Assign and it couldn’t be easier.
Select “Assign” for Throttle, pull back to Idle Detent stop (top pic), click “Idle Detent” button. Push throttle forward to the AB stop, click “Set AB” button. Save and done. Push past the AB stop and bar turns green and says “AB”, lift past Idle stop and bar turns red and says “Idle Cutoff”. Just be sure you have full travel (if not increase Saturation until bar is full)
When you setup your Throttle in AL are you using Throttle or Throttle Right? When I get to the Idle stop Asix travel is at zero.
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As explained above for to not have axis output zero at idle you have calibrate the device in a non standard way.
This separate from AL or BMS
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When you setup your Throttle in AL are you using Throttle or Throttle Right? When I get to the Idle stop Axis travel is at zero.
Throttle. In the AL calibration you should click the Idle Detent button when your throttle is at the “Idle Cutoff” stop. Then when you go back to the main AxisAssign window and you lift it past the stop you should have a red “Idle Cuttoff” section on the left and an “AB” section on the right when full forward. If the throttle axis goes from 0 and moving into the Idle Cutoff does nothing its likely your throttle needs to be recalibrated. Mine currently does exactly that because I intentionally calibrated it not to use the Idle Cutoff portion of the throttle and my throttle “throw” starts there (was done for other sims). You can get the Thrustmaster calibration software here to try it if you like…
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Concur about Target. I don’t do anything with it.
I’ve never bothered trying to brainstorm that quirk of my system. I’m glad that aspect works for you.Well things change and I have hopped on the Target bandwagon (for other sims, BMS and DX 33-128 are a non-starter) but in doing so I finally saw how the Idle Cutoff was a DX press and not really part of the throttle “axis”. It is actually 4 DX assignments now (one for each throttle), for me it’s DX48-49 exiting Idle cutoff and DX50-51 entering Idle cutoff…
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Well things change and I have hopped on the Target bandwagon (for other sims, BMS and DX 33-128 are a non-starter) but in doing so I finally saw how the Idle Cutoff was a DX press and not really part of the throttle “axis”. It is actually 4 DX assignments now (one for each throttle), for me it’s DX48-49 exiting Idle cutoff and DX50-51 entering Idle cutoff…
I had the same, except I have DV 29Hold-DX30 Hold for off and DX 29-30 Release for Idle.
You could probably also do a press and a release on Idle Toggle. I never tried that
As for TARGET, with respect my opinion of it remains the same. I have enough things in BMS that make my head hurt, already -
The way the idle/cutoff threshold (red line detent setting in the UI) works is intended only to support physical devices that register DX axis values that register change all the way from fully off (all the way back) and full afterburner.
This was really done to support the cockpit building crowd. In their case, the easiest mechanization of the actual throttle arm is to put a pot on the arm to measure full throw of the arm from one end of the throttle handle guide rail to the other. That guide rail has the “tooth” that represents the idle position (forward side of the tooth) but full off is behind (which is to say aft) of the tooth. The fact that you have to physically lift the TQS handle and push it past the tooth/gate with the flight hardware means that there’s no problem setting the idle detent in the UI (red line) above zero point of the throttle travel because you can’t accidentally pull the throttle back past that point…you have to mean it
If you haven’t seen how the actual flight hardware works,
[[I can’t really see why Thrustmaster chose the design they did with making you use button mappings for the idle/cutoff – they made the device more complicated and expensive to manufacture than they needed to in order to achieve this so far as I can tell…and requiring more programming steps to get it working.]]
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Cougar had axis-only. Warthog cutoff “buttons” are purely software defined. If desired you can get axis motion in the off-idle range with creative calibration. Warthog was designed for DCS. It’s too complicated for Falcon… they don’t care. With TARGET you can do everything you need to do. DCS doesn’t have axis-based events so button event needed to happen in design.
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Warthog cutoff “buttons” are purely software defined. If desired you can get axis motion in the off-idle range with creative calibration.
Interesting. I did not know either of those things – thanks for cluing me in better. I guess I need to take back the editorial then…my bad