An realistic model for g-forces on the human body
-
OK, here’s the timeline:
2004: I was contracted by Fighter Ops (remember them??) to develop a realistic model for g-forces on the human body. I worked with an aviation medic who had done studies in that area, and together we wrote a really good simulation of G-LOC and vision/muscle impairment. Probably the most detailed such simulation that’s ever been written for a desktop sim. We all know what happened to Fighter Ops, though.
2010: I figured I shouldn’t let my hard work go to waste, so I offered up the research (but not the code) to the Falcon BMS team. The forum post went mostly unnoticed…
2012: @Dee-Jay contacted me asking for the link to the research, which had expired by that point. I never noticed this chat message.
2021: Falcon BMS gets new forums, and the chat messages are migrated over. I finally notice his post!
So, Dee-Jay, and anyone else on the team who’s interested, here is the correspondence between myself and the aviation medic, including some charts and tables. It’s not all there, some of it is gone forever now, but hopefully what is there helps you guys out.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b2uocw0lfkir526/AADzQTJMHx-57ez9CGc6Wqzva?dl=0
-
Interesting, thanks for sharing! That’s a lot of data but good stuff on the first skim over. I have always felt like BMS had a good G model (maybe slightly optimistic) and DCS was a little low for a 9G fighter pilot. But I do wish BMS modeled G warm up like DCS (maybe not in something like the dogfight module, assume warmed up there )
-
-
Meanwhile, we’ve took proper informations from IRBA (Institute for Biomedical Research of Armies https://www.defense.gouv.fr/english/sante/notre-expertise/recherche-biomedicale/recherche-biomedicale) … I think that our model as a variant of the Stoll model and had also feedbacks from RL (F-16 and other) jet pilots.
-
@maxwaldorf said in An realistic model for g-forces on the human body:
I agree, but I’m glad Tim shared it publicly. Interesting stuff. Also brings back some memories of Fighter Ops’ promise but how far BMS has actually delivered since then.
@dee-jay said in An realistic model for g-forces on the human body:
Meanwhile, we’ve took proper informations from IRBA (Institute for Biomedical Research of Armies https://www.defense.gouv.fr/english/sante/notre-expertise/recherche-biomedicale/recherche-biomedicale) … I think that our model as a variant of the Stoll model and had also feedbacks from RL (F-16 and other) jet pilots.
The RL smell test of pilot is important when it comes to aeromedical stuff a lot of times. Now to go try to find data on the Stoll model
-
Anyway, don’t worry, we’re taking this feedback into account.
Cheers
-
@snake122 said in An realistic model for g-forces on the human body:
@maxwaldorf said in An realistic model for g-forces on the human body:
I agree, but I’m glad Tim shared it publicly. Interesting stuff. Also brings back some memories of Fighter Ops’ promise but how far BMS has actually delivered since then.
@dee-jay said in An realistic model for g-forces on the human body:
Meanwhile, we’ve took proper informations from IRBA (Institute for Biomedical Research of Armies https://www.defense.gouv.fr/english/sante/notre-expertise/recherche-biomedicale/recherche-biomedicale) … I think that our model as a variant of the Stoll model and had also feedbacks from RL (F-16 and other) jet pilots.
The RL smell test of pilot is important when it comes to aeromedical stuff a lot of times. Now to go try to find data on the Stoll model
I went in the centrifuge myself and participated to specific sessions like the one you can find on YT.