SD mode with RUK is the most effective mode against SAM FCR.
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Our test found HARM’s SD mode is the greatest invention in BMS. If select SD with RUK mode, You will find that your agm88 becomes ag88e. In other words, you can attack those radars that suddenly shut off halfway precisely. In the RUK, HARM’s seeker will be activated at long range from the SAM radar which is active. When SAM radar is turned off, HARM can still hit the target.
So i suppose other modes such as TI have no obvious advantage compared with SD mode. We can always choose SD mode. Another advantage of SD is we can shoot HARM at anything designated to precise STPT with SD mode.We have made tests all day. We fired HARM ten times against SA3 or SA2 by RUK plus SD mode. Locked on SAM’s FCR by HTS, we just shoot HARM by HTS. During the flight of the missile,SAM radar was usually turned off suddenly.
10 launches, 10 successes.
As Mavjp said, the missile flies in inertial mode with build in deviation when in SD mode. But according to my tests, this kind of deviation does little to my hitting targets.
We are paticipating Falcon online Lorik’s Balkan TVT campaign now. We have neutralized quite a few SAM fire control radars over Bosnia by this way. So i suppose we can call it AGM-88E -
@joker_duke said in SD mode with RUK is the most effective mode against SAM FCR.:
Our test found HARM’s SD mode is the greatest invention in BMS. If select SD with RUK mode, You will find that your agm88 becomes ag88e. In other words, you can attack those radars that suddenly shut off halfway precisely. In the RUK, HARM’s seeker will be activated at long range from the SAM radar which is active. When SAM radar is turned off, HARM can still hit the target.
So i suppose other modes such as TI have no obvious advantage compared with SD mode. We can always choose SD mode. Another advantage of SD is we can shoot HARM at anything designated to precise STPT with SD mode.That is not entirely true
When the fcr radar is off the missile flies in inertial mode with build in deviation
So it all depends on many parameters still
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https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/21147/harm-questions-target-isolate-lotg-eomg-tms-right/ if you want to compare notes…
The two most effective combos I found were
EOM+TI => when there are multiple active emitters in the area but you want to specifically target one of them (typical SEAD mission against a pre-planned threat stpt)
RUK+SD => for popup threats, when you want to kill something as quickly and reliably as possible… can be a target stpt but also works well in HAS when all you have is a bearing to the emitter
I didn’t do any super rigorous testing for cases like yours, eg. what happens when emitter switches off, after launch. Just a bit testing for the case where a preplanned threat hadn’t yet switched on (easier to control :).
In real life, I would expect a RUK shot to have a flatter trajectory… so the seeker could begin scanning the ground soon after launch… esp. if fired in HAS mode or at a poor-confidence HTS target. But I haven’t observed that behavior in my ACMI files.
If that were so, there would be a trade-off of range for ttk, in selecting RUK.
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@airtex2019 said in SD mode with RUK is the most effective mode against SAM FCR.:
but also works well in HAS when all you have is a bearing to the emitter
Wait what am I talking about… the EOM/PB/RUK submodes don’t apply at all to HAS mode… how could they
Interestingly, the TI button is still present on the MFD, in HAS mode… but it doesn’t seem to do anything? Not sure if that’s a bug, or if I’m doing it wrong.
Obviously I don’t use HAS mode much … lol
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IRL, TI is available in HAS.
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the missile flies in inertial mode with build in deviation
We have made tests all day. We fired HARM ten times against SA3 or SA2 by RUK plus SD mode. Locked on SAM’s FCR by HTS, we just shoot HARM by HTS. During the flight of the missile,SAM radar was usually turned off suddenly.
10 launches, 10 successes.As Mavjp said, the missile flies in inertial mode with build in deviation when in SD mode. But according to my tests, this kind of deviation does little to my hitting targets.
We are paticipating Falcon online Lorik’s Balkan TVT campaign now.
We have neutralized quite a few SAM fire control radars over Bosnia by this way. So i suppose we can call it AGM-88E -
@joker_duke said in SD mode with RUK is the most effective mode against SAM FCR.:
We are paticipating Falcon online Lorik’s Balkan TVT campaign now.
We have neutralized quite a few SAM fire control radars over Bosnia by this way. So i suppose we can call it AGM-88EI hope you are on the Blue side…
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@icer Yeah , We are on the blue. i saw you on the discord. body. We need to clean red’s air defense near the FLOT. we are operating over Bosnia…Take out SAM then cut off their supplie.
Watch out code,Sandman and SW. These dudes are the biggest threat. they are intercepters.HAHAHa, .very exciting and .fun. -
@joker_duke said in SD mode with RUK is the most effective mode against SAM FCR.:
@icer Yeah , We are on the blue. i saw you on the discord. body. We need to clean red’s air defense near the FLOT. we are operating over Bosnia…Take out SAM then cut off their supplie.
Watch out code,Sandman and SW. These dudes are the biggest threat. they are intercepters.HAHAHa, .very exciting and .fun.You need to climb to 35k before ingress as those guys use the stratosphere to give their missiles extra range/speed…
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@icer My escorts will deal with them. hahaha
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In short.
No one dare to become a red any longer…
ah, what times are these we are living?Going to Nevada straight back, then.
Bah.
With best regards.
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More seriously, now.
@JOKER_duke :
thanks to you and all in your Squadron as well, I was made able to think a little more and once again at the same time about my favourite topic: wise tactics.
Good not for mission making only, I mean.Keep on the really good job done and thanks for sharing your efforts.
I personally will always like to learn more about yor experiences, and some videos would come particularly appreciated, if you will like it of course.With best compliments and regards.
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thank you very joker_duke, it is also very effective against SA6, much more AGM-65D because of the difference in speed. With the HARM I didn’t need to wait as long.
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I tried this with 4 SA6’s on a site in a TE I built in ODS theater. The first straight flush was was gone using the RUK + SD mode. The second one always misses! although I followed the exact procedure as the first. I also made sure that I approach their firing radar aligned so that the closest one would be the firing one.
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POS RUK + GS DE + SD works like a charm.
So I’ve decided to stop using it cos I think it’s unrealistic -
@aelfewulf I think posted long time ago that the realistic HARM can go after the firing radar even after it is shut off
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But even more effective are those British ones, jsut according to those few we are allowed to learn about (you know what I mean for that).
With best regards.
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looks like BIT needs to be pushed for the second HARM otherwise it will be a miss even if weapon page says ready.
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@alfred SA6 is mobile … can you clarify, are you firing at a preplanned target steerpoint, or acquiring the straight-flush via FCR or TGP?
Did you verify visually (TGP … and remember to cursor-zero etc) that the target stpt is on the straight-flush targeting radar … and it still misses?
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@airtex2019 yes each time the straight was placed on a new waypoint (26-27-…). The straight flush would be folded and moving then it stops to unfold. This is the moment when I place it on a new waypoint. There were four of them, first one gets shot in an impressive time (compared to AGM-65) and the other one the HARM keeps missing. But every time I do the built in test the second HARM doesn’t miss. There were also two very close straight flushes, I placed one on a waypoint , shot the HARM when they both painted my ship but the HARM got the other one.