Can't have TGP as SOI when there's no munitions remaining?
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I just completed a BAI mission in KTO campaign, with 6 x Mavericks loaded plus TGP for target ID purposes.
I used FCR to acquire a ground mover, then using TGP as SOI zoomed in to ID - I wanted to pick off the SA-13’s and ZSU-23’s that I knew were lurking!!
Using DMS down to switch FCR/TGP as SOI, and DMS right to switch MFD page WPN/TGP, I found I could ID and take out the AAA and SAM threats before getting my flight to take out the rest. So I figure I’ll use FCR and TGP to look for tanks and found that when all the mavs are spent, I could not use TGP as SOI.
My method to switch SOI was DMS down, which worked fine when some mavs were there. In NAV mode, DMS down switched fine between FCR and HSD, so no worries there.
Is this correct behaviour? Seems odd!
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Hi
TBH I can’t help you much with existing issues on the current versin but I will just say that the TGP code of the release version is hardly suited for “complicated” TGP operations, which TGP & Mavs is one of them. I don’t mean to say that your problem is a valid bug or not but I say that if it is happening to you then there isn’t much to fix, not for the release version, just enjoy it as is, understand its limitations and hopefully things will get better with later version.
Cheers!
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Fair point I-Hawk, I hadn’t realised the code was maybe not up to it! Maybe I will try a TE with just the pod and see if it happens straight away just out of curiosity.
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How do you slave mav seeker to where the TGP is looking? I just cannot figure this one out, and it’s a real AG showstopper for me.
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A showstopper? uh? Mmmh, are you sure that you understand what showstopper mean?
A showstopper it’s something so much critical that you can’t use the sim properly without this thing fixed. Maverick hand off to the TGP is not brocken BTW, it’s only not implemented! -
It means i cannot hit a shilka or OSA in a convoy, before getting closer for cbu attacks. Every vehicle on the mav seeker is just a dot, so it’s not a precision strike against threats, missiles get wasted on trucks, jeeps or other non important stuff. I end up loading 6 mavs on the plane, shoot them at whatever gets locked up and go home.
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How do you slave mav seeker to where the TGP is looking? I just cannot figure this one out, and it’s a real AG showstopper for me.
Are you kinding!?!
On a priority scale of 10, this is maximum a level 8 !!!
Showstopper means … no more release until this is fixed! … Do you really want us to stop all version and patch update due to that minimal issue?
Furthermore … I’m not sure that RL pilots are supposed to use HAD with AGM65 not any other weapons than AGM88. And I’m not sure you can handoff HAD target to MaverickAD IRL (?) … need feedback from real driver and need docs (technical and/or procedural) detailing that point.
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hell at least there’s a 6 mav load
there were times only 2 could be loaded. huge gripes arose:evil:
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You know, even with TGP Handoff, if can be no easy too. TGP Handoff is used for pointing the correct area to the Maverick. BUT final acquisition is maverick seeker needed. If you have two close vehicle, and you want to target the vehicle on the left, maybe the AGM-65 will lock the one on the right, even if TGP handoff confirm the left one.
This is the reason why maverick is not used anymore for F-16 now. -
t means i cannot hit a shilka or OSA in a convoy, before getting closer for cbu attacks. Every vehicle on the mav seeker is just a dot, so it’s not a precision strike against threats, missiles get wasted on trucks, jeeps or other non important stuff. I end up loading 6 mavs on the plane, shoot them at whatever gets locked up and go home.
In that case, that would use GBUs using TGP… or … AGM65 with TGP.
EDIT: Grilled by Amraam.
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You know, even with TGP Handoff, if can be no easy too. TGP Handoff is used for pointing the correct area to the Maverick. BUT final acquisition is maverick seeker needed. If you have two close vehicle, and you want to target the vehicle on the left, maybe the AGM-65 will lock the one on the right, even if TGP handoff confirm the left one.
This is the reason why maverick is not used anymore for F-16 now.it’s fire and forget
still have use in macro war due to minimal loitering time over target imoyou don’t worry about inbound AA12s while circling a target for lgb runs in micro wars
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I just completed a BAI mission in KTO campaign, with 6 x Mavericks loaded plus TGP for target ID purposes.
I used FCR to acquire a ground mover, then using TGP as SOI zoomed in to ID - I wanted to pick off the SA-13’s and ZSU-23’s that I knew were lurking!!
Using DMS down to switch FCR/TGP as SOI, and DMS right to switch MFD page WPN/TGP, I found I could ID and take out the AAA and SAM threats before getting my flight to take out the rest. So I figure I’ll use FCR and TGP to look for tanks and found that when all the mavs are spent, I could not use TGP as SOI.
My method to switch SOI was DMS down, which worked fine when some mavs were there. In NAV mode, DMS down switched fine between FCR and HSD, so no worries there.
Is this correct behaviour? Seems odd!
When there is nothing left in AG mode apart from the Gun - In the SMS page I can press the OSB above the Gun label which switches the label to AG and brings up the Ground Radar in the FCR MFD also - this then allows me to put the TGP as SOI and use it. (admittedly think ive only used this in training missions)
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@DexterMorgan:
it’s fire and forget
still have use in macro war due to minimal loitering time over target imoyou don’t worry about inbound AA12s while circling a target for lgb runs in micro wars
AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact. -
AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.Comparing current theater conflicts and the AGM-65 is not really a possibility. The targets are not suited for using a IR missile that requires control guidance through it’s own sensors. The targets in areas like afghanistan are too dynamic to waste a pylon with a maverick. Now if the bad guys were still driving tanks or armored vehicles, then there would be a purpose. If the need arises, the maverick would be used as much as any other weapon depending on the platform.
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AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.falcon campaign is not “micro” but “macro”… very. think the fulda gap before 1990
REAL air forces nowadays do not aim for these kinda crisis anymore
gimme a mav over a gbu12 any day, i fly in virtual korea… not RL afganistan or Lybia -
Just going back to my OP, I still can’t switch SOI to TGP when all AG munitions are spent in AG mode. The OP was never about slaving mavs to TGP! I wish for it, but I know BMS can’t do it.
It’s simply that TGP can’t be used to visually ID targets for wingies to hit when I’m winchester, which is annoying.
I know this is an old thread, but it happened to me again recently after picking BMS back up after a spell away.
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AA12 in front in a micro war? Shit… I don’t want to see a big war :p.
If you want micro war, look Lybia, Afghanistan, etc… No more AGM-65 used, only LGB and JDAM. In some airforce, AGM-65 is even no more in stock. That’s a fact.Hmmm, that’s interesting. There were some photos here: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?6747-This-day-discovery&p=323014&viewfull=1#post323014
That seem to have gone away, but if you read the subsequent posts about what the load out was on the jet, it seems pretty clear that they were equipped with Mavericks operating in Afghanistan. I’m not an expert by any means, so maybe there’s another explanation for this?
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I think the OP just wanted his question (from long ago) answered. I am curious too. Asharpe, your replying to a comment from 3 years ago.
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Just going back to my OP, I still can’t switch SOI to TGP when all AG munitions are spent in AG mode. The OP was never about slaving mavs to TGP! I wish for it, but I know BMS can’t do it.
It’s simply that TGP can’t be used to visually ID targets for wingies to hit when I’m winchester, which is annoying.
I know this is an old thread, but it happened to me again recently after picking BMS back up after a spell away.
Wait, just a little bit
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