Solved No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?
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Good morning.
As strange as it may be, after installing the last update I can’t fly any Tornado in custom TEs. I don’t think that it could be due to the new Tornado custom cockpits for 4.36.1 I installed, unless I’m terribly wrong with it.
@MaxWaldorf
I will check further, also in campaigns I mean, but if someone of good will would kindly check this out for me, I would appreciate it a lot.
Update: it’s the same in campaigns too.
And I forgot to mention that the flight plan are “porked”, as in campaigns as in custom TEs, by quasi-stellar speed settings - I already knew that my fav. birdie is very fast, but sometimes demanding to fly at 2,055 kts although at 18K feet may seem asking a little too much from me too, you know.Thanks for your attention and with best regards.
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Good for you, I guess, but this can’t help me in solving that - this happened after a totally fresh (from scratch, I mean) U3 installation.
The only three theaters (last version released, of course) not involved by it are Balkans OFM, Somalia and Nordic.
So, what do you or the devs. suggest to do now?
Update: a further fresh installation solved all.
How and why that? I absolutely don’t know - and, in more than 15 years of all Falcon versions experience, this is the very first time I happened to face against such kind of issue. Sign that its time had to come at last, maybe.Thanks for your attention, dear Max, and sorry for bothering, then.
With best regards.
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@Jackal said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
So, what do you or the devs. suggest to do now?
Fly F-16.
There are reasons why some ppl says that it is difficult to ensure software evolution and features realism while ensuring retro-compatiblies for all other “diverted” aircraft/cockpits without having some dedicated personals specifically dedicated to that task.
Some guys don’t want to hear that … but to me, what you are reporting is a kind of proof of what I am saying. And if not the Tornado, the M2000 is (and possibly the A-10, I do not remember).I don’t know if I am right, but that is what I think.
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@Jackal It is very strange, the number of tech support threads we have, that are resolved by fresh/repeated re-install.
Some theories involve overzealous antivirus, quarantining false-positives… but hard to know for sure.
Someone should probably make a “validateInstall” script that checks for the existence (and validates hash) of all the stock-KTO resource files.
Perhaps I’ll do that this week…
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@Jackal said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
Good for you, I guess, but this can’t help me in solving that - this happened after a totally fresh (from scratch, I mean) U3 installation.
The only three theaters (last version released, of course) not involved by it are Balkans OFM, Somalia and Nordic.
So, what do you or the devs. suggest to do now?
Update: a further fresh installation solved all.
How and why that? I absolutely don’t know - and, in more than 15 years of all Falcon versions experience, this is the very first time I happened to face against such kind of issue. Sign that its time had to come at last, maybe.Thanks for your attention, dear Max, and sorry for bothering, then.
With best regards.
Hi, Jackal. I’m glad your reinstall fixed the problem. Just to be sure, I doublechecked OFMKTO , and the 7 Tornado models are good in TE.
I’ve had to reinstall BMS twice in the past. Once when my HD died, and once when something got borked in testing. Outside of the hard code, I see BMS as a “house of files” ,to paraphrase house of cards. If one of those files gets corrupted, blocked, or whatever… I suppose it could happen to any jet. -
@drtbkj
Hi there, Fra’. I see, but then I agree with your last sentence, in particular. If you lack a cent, you don’t get a million - if I got the sense correctly.
But concluding “It’s all well what ends well” isn’t just enough, for me and how I an made.
The problem is still on the dish: what was that blessed missing cent?
And why did it lack?
However.Thanks a lot for your attention, and with best regards.
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@Jackal said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
@drtbkj
Hi there, Fra’. I see, but then I agree with your last sentence, in particular. If you lack a cent, you don’t get a million - if I got the sense correctly.
But concluding “It’s all well what ends well” isn’t just enough, for me and how I an made.
The problem is still on the dish: what was that blessed missing cent?
And why did it lack?
However.Thanks a lot for your attention, and with best regards.
Hi, Jackal. Airtex is doing better at listing possible “why’s”. Sorry ,Compadre, but IMHO at this point it would be hard to find the source. I think you’d have to find the files that control the jets TE “sees”( teplanes.lst popped in my head , but that may not be it) and compare it to the files in your new install. Unfortunately, the old files are gone.
I hate a mystery , too, but you may just have to write this off as “one of those things.” It was bad luck it happening to that jet, given you are Tornado Man , but at least it did get solved.
I agree with Airtex, and am somewhat surprised it doesn’t happen more often -
@Dee-Jay said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
@Jackal said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
So, what do you or the devs. suggest to do now?
Fly F-16.
There are reasons why some ppl says that it is difficult to ensure software evolution and features realism while ensuring retro-compatiblies for all other “diverted” aircraft/cockpits without having some dedicated personals specifically dedicated to that task.
Some guys don’t want to hear that … but to me, what you are reporting is a kind of proof of what I am saying. And if not the Tornado, the M2000 is (and possibly the A-10, I do not remember).I don’t know if I am right, but that is what I think.
true … unfortunately I did not guarantee the necessary assistance to fix the issues of my 3dpits (and there were many, I know) … and about this I apologize to everyone … and it is true that there is no support from team members (coders) on 3dpits… sometimes I have the precious support of some team members… and consider that the level of realism of the F16 is near to reach the limit IMHO it could be inspiring to spend some time on this aspect… thinking that sooner or later the F16 will no longer need to be updated …
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@airtex2019
Good to learn that initiative of yours, dear bro… you now I trust you and your wise points of view so much most of the time, so I can’t await that app - if you will release it at its due time, of course.
@drtbkj
Yeah, right said Fra’ and you have a good point here. I’m going to take what happened with a positive outlook in my mind. There is nothing more or else to do after all now.
@qawa
Really? How interesting that. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. And what would you think then if I tell you that I am almost 100% sure that cockpits had nothing to do (this time, at least) with that recent weird issue of mine?Well, guys. Thanks a lot - to you, at least - for all, and have a pretty nice day.
With best regards.
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@Dee-Jay
Thanks a lot, for your frankly answer as your usual as well.
But, told it in the same fair way as yours, I am positively not interested in flying Vipers only, and that since more than 11 years, as all of you here already know well.
Secondly, for how I’m made becasue it’s in my nature, I’m able to find out weird and well hidden issues in planes, theaters and so on - if any, of course.
And after that, I’m used to ask to myself: “Why has it happened? And how to solve or prevent it in the future?”, and so to try and find a solution. If not able to do this alone, I’m most of all used to ask some other ones - believed to be more skilled and expert than me - for aid.
In this case, please let me confess that I felt particularly disappointed to find out that there was no other solution that trying to uninstall and reinstall from scratch Falcon, matter besides in which I succeeded but after two attempts - without a helping word or a mere opinion from the devs in this while.Hope this helps.
With best regards.
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@Jackal said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
@Dee-Jay
Thanks a lot, for your frankly answer as your usual as well.
But, told it in the same fair way as yours, I am positively not interested in flying Vipers only, and that since more than 11 years, as all of you here already know well.
Secondly, for how I’m made becasue it’s in my nature, I’m able to find out weird and well hidden issues in planes, theaters and so on - if any, of course.
And after that, I’m used to ask to myself: “Why has it happened? And how to solve or prevent it in the future?”, and so to try and find a solution. If not able to do this alone, I’m most of all used to ask some other ones - believed to be more skilled and expert than me - for aid.
In this case, please let me confess that I felt particularly disappointed to find out that there was no other solution that trying to uninstall and reinstall from scratch Falcon, matter besides in which I succeeded but after two attempts - without a helping word or a mere opinion from the devs in this while.Hope this helps.
With best regards.
I you are not interested in flying F-16, maybe you are not flying Tornado only (?) So …
I don’t know what to tell you … if some ppl advertise BMS as a multi aircraft simulator, they should take active actions in testings and maintaining ALL aircraft before each release and delay it if some aircraft are not fully functional to the risk of pissing off part of the community.
I can’t help you nor check what happened since BMS is not more on my computer fir now.Max seems to have no issues. What about some other ppl?
Do you firmly confirm that you try a frech install from scratch using standard KTO theater? webolded text -
@Dee-Jay
the community has endured far worse than unfinished cockpits … thinking of the CTDs they have had to endure all these years, cockpits unfinished IMO are the least of the problems… but I’m back also for this … I will try to remedy my mistakessry Jackal if I derailed your thread… I’m stop now…
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@Dee-Jay said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
I you are not interested in flying F-16, maybe you are not flying Tornado only (?) So …
I don’t know what to tell you … if some ppl advertise BMS as a multi aircraft simulator, they should take active actions in testings and maintaining ALL aircraft before each release and delay it if some aircraft are not fully functional to the risk of pissing off part of the community.
I can’t help you nor check what happened since BMS is not more on my computer fir now.Max seems to have no issues. What about some other ppl?
Do you firmly confirm that you try a frech install from scratch using standard KTO theater? webolded textDear mate, thanks for this new reply, but please let me make some clarifications.
First, what made you think I wouldn’t interested in flying Vipers? I didn’t for sure.
I am a (proud) member of this present Community, - since 2011!, as I was of FreeFalcon’s in those several years before, as you sure will remember and know and remember you too well since then - just to fly a plane, in a reliable simulation, as real as it may ever get and making it a new experience every day by day since the first one, that is when I flew Falcon 4.0 for the first time.
But, this apart, “my” favourite plane has been, is still nowadays and will always be the Panavia Tornado - and that’s a fact, made sure by that I still have the first simulation ever released about her, and it was deep love since the first flight, as for the Viper, but for different reasons, due the far different way of flying and combat, clearly more fit to my own likes and tactical point of view.
Second, please be assured on that my issues weren’t absolutely related to a mod, a plane or whatever else on earth involving the Tornado or her cockpit, because all the related BMS stuff is “working” well - any possible limitations well in mind.
Last, I’m taking good note of the objective reasons because it’s not absolutely a fault of yours if you can’t currently give me any aid.
So, please believe me, I understand all that well, and I’m thanking you instead for your attention, but - as I referred in a previous post of mine addressed to MaxWaldorf, I managed to solve all on my little own reinstalling Falcon successfully after a pair of attempts.
What I was trying to do - unsuccessfully - was to unveiling the hidden reasons why that may happened: this was the reason because I would have liked, way more than demanded, the devs’. interest and precious aid and opinions about.
Maybe I was wrong instead.
Thank you so much anyway. And my apologies to you and all for this long speech, but I wanted to be more than sure I wouldn’t have misunderstood in anything. This time and this occasion most of all.With best regards.
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@Jackal Cool you solved you issue.
But I didn’t understood what was the issue.
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@Dee-Jay said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
I you are not interested in flying F-16, maybe you are not flying Tornado only (?) So …
I don’t know what to tell you … if some ppl advertise BMS as a multi aircraft simulator, they should take active actions in testings and maintaining ALL aircraft before each release and delay it if some aircraft are not fully functional to the risk of pissing off part of the community.
I can’t help you nor check what happened since BMS is not more on my computer fir now.Max seems to have no issues. What about some other ppl?
Do you firmly confirm that you try a frech install from scratch using standard KTO theater? webolded textDear mate, thanks for this new reply, but please let me make some due clarifications.
First, what made you think I wouldn’t interested in flying Vipers? I haven’t told that for sure.
I am a (proud) member of this present Community, - since 2011!, as I was of FreeFalcon’s in those several years before, as you sure will remember and know and remember you too well since then - just to fly a plane, in a reliable simulation, as real as it may ever get and making it a new experience every day by day since the first one, that is when I flew Falcon 4.0 for the first time.
But, this apart, “my” favourite plane has been, is still nowadays and will always be the Panavia Tornado - and that’s a fact, made sure by that I still have the first simulation ever released about her, and it was deep love since the first flight, as for the Viper, but for different reasons, due the far different way of flying and combat, clearly more fit than any other planes to my own likes and tactical point of view.
Second, please be assured on that my issues weren’t absolutely related to a mod, a plane or whatever else on earth involving the Tornado or her cockpit, because all the related BMS stuff is “working” well - any possible limitations well in mind.
Last, I’m taking good note of the objective reasons because it’s not absolutely a fault of yours if you can’t currently give me any aid.
So, please believe me, I understand all that well, and I’m thanking you instead for your attention, but - as I referred in a previous post of mine addressed to MaxWaldorf, I managed to solve all, involving all theaters ecxpect the few ones I referred there, on my little own reinstalling Falcon successfully after a pair of attempts.
What I was trying to do - unsuccessfully - was to unveiling the hidden reasons why that may happened: this was the reason because I would have liked, way more than demanded, the devs’. interest and precious aid and opinions about.
Maybe I was wrong.
Anyway it went, I want to thank you for all. And I give my apologies, to you and all, for this long speech, but I felt obliged to be absolutely clear on me and my reasons, to avoid to be misunderstood. Not this time, nor in this circumstance.With best regards.
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@Dee-Jay said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
@Jackal Cool you solved you issue.
But I didn’t understood what was the issue.
Could be useful to know for ppl having the same roubles.Neither I am, dear friend, it’s the very first time I’m facing something of this kind in long years.
The few I can report about it’s only this.
A few days ago I tried to create a simple custom TE in KTO with Vipers, Tornados and Eagles on the Blues - nothing complicated, nor exceptional in any way - and suddenly found out that all the Tornados’ flight plans went “porked” with absurd speeds at any waypoint, making that TE unflyable and BMS stopping it loading and going to CTD.
Fixing manually the waypoints made no result.
So tried to make similar TEs and load some campaign in other theaters, just to see if that might be replicated, and so it went - in the same way, I mean.
And the very same happened with all the other theaters above, except for Balkans OFM and two other ones.Thanks a lot for your interest once again, and with best regards.
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@Dee-Jay said in No Tornado is flyable after 4.36 U3?:
Could be useful to know for ppl having the same roubles.
that made my day
Thank you Dee-Jaz -
But, this apart, “my” favourite plane has been, is still nowadays and will always be the Panavia Tornado - and that’s a fact, made sure by that I still have the first simulation ever released about her, and it was deep love since the first flight,
Loved that sim (of course I love BMS too!). The mission planning was something…along with the AAA tracers ‘reaching’ for you when flying low level…Just got a flashback when you mentioned :- ).