when using snowplow mode(SP) tgp icon doesnt show up on the hud?
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Not sure if its a bug or player error, But take a look at these here,
(latest version 4.36u3, block is f-16cm_42 )
side question, im using alternative launcher, anyone else having trouble with their snowplow bind? pressing it does nothing ingame.
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@hellsguard Can you explain more what you expect to see / happen?
(What does “tgp icon doesn’t show up on the hud” mean?)
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When you are in Snowplow you don’t have a designation, so nothing should show up in the HUD.
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@Stevie oh was it a bug in 4.35 all this time? i explicitly remember back then i was able to see the tgp icon box on the hud
@airtex2019 the box with a tiny dot in the middle of it.
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@hellsguard - I guess I’d have to see just what you were doing - if the TGP is not locked and just plowing along, it’s at a fixed angle below your nose (maybe even outside of the HUD FOR) and moving along with the jet, and so your reticle should also be dragging across the ground in front of the jet. It’s of no real use to show that in the HUD.
But if you lock the TGP on a target (or slew it) then t needs to show you where it’s looking relative to your position, since you are moving but the TGP lock will now become fixed.
It makes the most sense to use Snowplow during low level nav, when you want to see where you are headed and not actively trying to lock something - unless that something is a pretty long way in the distance…and then the reticle should pop up in the HUD when you slew to take the lock, but you’ll be heads down at the start, trying to get the lock.
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@hellsguard I still see it, but it’s not tracking the FCR crosshairs… it just seems stuck to the currently selected steerpoint.
I’m no authority to say what’s a bug vs what is real life quirkiness of the F-16… but snowplow has always seemed especially quirky.
If I then switch to TGP as SOI and slew it around, both the square and diamond move around… seems “wrong” but again I can’t say that it is.
Anyway I tend not to use SP much (if I do, just briefly to set a markpoint then carry on as I normally would). So I wouldn’t notice if something changed with respect to 4.35…
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Should we not be asking what happens in RL before deciding if it’s a bug on not.
I would have thought that sensor integration and synchronisation is a fundamental need for all modern aircraft, and it’s hard to understand why this would not apply to SP mode?
It may not be possible to have symbols on all sensors given FOV, exp, and gimbal limits, with the HUD being particularly limited. Hower its possible to symbolise where the sensor is pointing (as it’s done with off boresight locked targets).
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@Fish44 - so, yes. In RL the TGP would just plow along at whatever depression angle the pilot has selected it to - it has nothing to do with the FCR, or HUD optical center, or anything else because there is no target designation. That’s why it’s called “Snowplow”…it acts just like that and just “plows” along.
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Thanks @Stevie for clarifying that.
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@airtex2019 said in when using snowplow mode(SP) tgp icon doesnt show up on the hud?:
@hellsguard I still see it, but it’s not tracking the FCR crosshairs… it just seems stuck to the currently selected steerpoint.
I’m no authority to say what’s a bug vs what is real life quirkiness of the F-16… but snowplow has always seemed especially quirky.
If I then switch to TGP as SOI and slew it around, both the square and diamond move around… seems “wrong” but again I can’t say that it is.
Anyway I tend not to use SP much (if I do, just briefly to set a markpoint then carry on as I normally would). So I wouldn’t notice if something changed with respect to 4.35…
Hi, Airtex, Idk, but it seems to make sense to me if we think of Snowplow as an “override” to the system. You are bypassing the SPI architecture in order to quickly scan an area, as Stevie wrote" just letting it plow along". If that’s the case, then the TGP acting independently makes sense . The question I have is if the TGP “reslaves” to FCR once a target has been designated on the FCR. If yes, then we seem good-to-go
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@drtbkj - it’s not an “override”…it’s an actual reserved operating Mode of the TGP.
The key thing to remember is that it is an undesignated mode, and that in this mode all control is selected to the Cursor for control of pointing…as long as the TGP is SOI and a designation is not made. Once a designation is made on any sensor, all other sensors (including the TGP) should slave to that designation.