Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?
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It seems just a year ago I was able to hover relatively well. Now I find it impossible. It’s as if all bleed pressure to the control nozzles ceases once the groundspeed approaches zero. FM change or just me getting old?
And even if the answer is the latter (it’s true) there is zero ability to yaw in hover so something is amiss beyond my own skill level.
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I tend to agree, there is a difference between 4.37 and 4.36 when it comes to VL the Harrier. It seems to wander as soon as your speed drops below 60kts or so? Not sure if its Harrier FM but something has changed that affects VL. I thought it was just me.
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If they’ve improved it to be more like RL, you should not be able to hover more than about 100 feet AGL - try transitioning in at a lower altitude if you are trying to hover higher than that, andd see if that helps any.
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@Stevie Have you tried it lately Stevie? Its related to speed once that drops to zero it wanders all over the place. If you are too far out from the Carrier once that happens its a real struggle to keep it level. Switch back to 4.36 and its not an issue.
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@Mav-jp do you know anything about this?
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Easiest way to verify this is to plae the 4.36 flight model dat into 4.37, or vice versa and test if the issue disappears or not.
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@Scorpion82 You just have to VL in the WASP TE and you’ll see what we mean.
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There are no obvious changes done for the Harrier for 4.37…
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It feels to me as if air available for axis control is proportional to airspeed now. At exactly “0”, there is little or no control at all.
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I went back to 4.36 and the Harrier is easily controlled in hover. And quite responsive. Totally different than 4.37. I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.
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@Smokin-hole said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
I went back to 4.36 and the Harrier is easily controlled in hover. And quite responsive. Totally different than 4.37. I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.
Can you do a comparison of .dat files in WinMerge to see changes (I have no clue)?
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@Icer said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@Smokin-hole said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
I went back to 4.36 and the Harrier is easily controlled in hover. And quite responsive. Totally different than 4.37. I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.
Can you do a comparison of .dat files in WinMerge to see changes (I have no clue)?
I think these
dat
files are justtxt
files so yes. I looked (assuming “AV-88_afm.dat” is the file in question) and they are identical. -
@CriticalMass said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@Icer said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@Smokin-hole said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
I went back to 4.36 and the Harrier is easily controlled in hover. And quite responsive. Totally different than 4.37. I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.
Can you do a comparison of .dat files in WinMerge to see changes (I have no clue)?
I think these
dat
files are justtxt
files so yes. I looked (assuming “AV-88_afm.dat” is the file in question) and they are identical.That’s wild, then it’s somewhere else I assume…
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Different weather conditions, maybe?
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In editing the av8 (dot) dat files I porked my install. Reinstalling now but there is a difference between the two av8b.dat files. It’s line 24 or 25 that reads something like “AOA Max AI” and has a value of +25.000000.
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@Smokin-hole if the harrier data is missing those lines, its screwed then.
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@Icer said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@CriticalMass said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@Icer said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
@Smokin-hole said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
I went back to 4.36 and the Harrier is easily controlled in hover. And quite responsive. Totally different than 4.37. I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.
Can you do a comparison of .dat files in WinMerge to see changes (I have no clue)?
I think these
dat
files are justtxt
files so yes. I looked (assuming “AV-88_afm.dat” is the file in question) and they are identical.That’s wild, then it’s somewhere else I assume…
“I tried moving the DAT files to 4.37 but that caused a game crash.” is a little concerning. no idea why that would happen, though there must be some kind of check on acdata file (the date is different?)
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@Smokin-hole said in Has 4.37 Changed the Harrier FM?:
In editing the av8 (dot) dat files I porked my install. Reinstalling now but there is a difference between the two av8b.dat files. It’s line 24 or 25 that reads something like “AOA Max AI” and has a value of +25.000000.
Ok - compared all AV8 dat files in Winmerge
AV-8B_afm.dat - Identical
AV-8B.dat -
Line 3 comment - “Revision: Flight Model Manager ver:” - 4.36 is 1.7.5.101, 4.37 is 1.7.5.107
Line 920-921 - 4.36 had no entry, 4.37 is avionicsHmcsRwr 1AV-8B+.dat -
Line 3 comment - “Revision: Flight Model Manager ver:” - 4.36 is 1.7.5.101, 4.37 is 1.7.5.107
Line 920-921 - 4.36 had no entry, 4.37 is avionicsHmcsRwr 1AV-8B+_afm.dat - Identical
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I doubt in matters but line 24 of av8b.dat are different between 4.37 and 4.36.
But anyway, if curious, just try hovering with the two versions. Take the training AV8+ in the WASP TE and remove the loadout.
Lift to a hover in each version. One is easily controlled. The other has no control at all. -
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I posted a similar thread in the Technical Support section. Please merge or delete. Thanks!