Solved AGM-65L TD box and TLL broken in VIS and PRE modes
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@Stevie said in AGM-65L TD box and TLL broken in VIS and PRE modes:
@mirv - because I have fired a few of them in RL…
In the F-16? Because documentation specifically mentions PRE/VIS/BORE sub modes….
Please explain.
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@mirv - I’m willing to bet that the missile is modeled per the documentation…but the model is wrong, and so the documentation is also wrong. The LMAV and the IRMAV have little to nothing in common as far as their interfaces go (I’ve had experience with both missiles), and from the look of thins guesses are being made. The LMAV is far simpler.
If you want a better reference on how LMAVs actually should work, look at the documentation for the VRS Super Hornet. That model is far closer to RL.
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@Stevie said in AGM-65L TD box and TLL broken in VIS and PRE modes:
@mirv - I’m willing to bet that the missile is modeled per the documentation…but the model is wrong, and so the documentation is also wrong. The LMAV and the IRMAV have little to nothing in common as far as their interfaces go (I’ve had experience with both missiles), and from the look of thins guesses are being made. The LMAV is far simpler.
If you want a better reference on how LMAVs actually should work, look at the documentation for the VRS Super Hornet. That model is far closer to RL.
Sorry Stevie, but I think you are wrong on this one. There is no guessing going on. Any bugs that we have in the LMAV modeling is by accident, some limitation, or possibly misinterpretation. There is documentation out there that says otherwise—and it is not wrong. There is specific language that mentions that self-designation employment, slaving (for L mavs) must be invoked in PRE or VIS submodes.
If PRE and VIS modes were not on the real one, we wouldn’t have it in the sim.
I’ll be happy to review the L modeling and check for issues, but I don’t think this is one of them.
PS, What airframe did you shoot Mavs in? F-18?
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@mirv - Nope. I’m right…it’s a young model, and full of errors.
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Aren’t you from Germany? I’m pretty sure that the Luftwaffe doesn’t had any AGM-65 in there arsenal since the F-4 days (we had the B model).
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@Tumbler31 @SkyF0x I’ve seen this happen with HARM too… after firing in POS mode. Very similar, HUD and HMCS are “stuck” about 5 degrees right and 10 degrees down, from nose of aircraft. But TGP still tracks target.
This was a 4.36 bug, but seems same or similar in 4.37.
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Now what you’re saying is laughable since you are stating that the real -34 manual is wrong, even after I just told you what it says concerning slave mode requiring PRE or VIS submodes.
Your credibility is fading fast, and you still have yet to disclose what airframe you’ve fired these from. Your “hesitation” is starting to make my BS meter spike.
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@Tumbler31 thanks, also noticed that 65L in BORE mode don’t see laser spot, atleast from TGP. And can confirm report from @airtex2019, after launching last AGM-88 in any POS mode TD Box start moving with aircraft.
Here before launch, TD and TLL both on HUD and HMCS points to target(STPT 57):
And after launch TD Box moving with aircraft, you can see TD Box at same relative position on HMCS despite the bank angle:
I have 100% repeatability in HARM training TE.
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@SkyF0x said in AGM-65L TD box and TLL broken in VIS and PRE modes:
in PRE Mode:
- After launch when you still have another AGM-65L on aircraft TD Box and TLL on HMCS shows at absolutely wrong target(looks like TD box and TLL showing on target location relative to aircraft at lauch moment), TD and TLL on HUD shows to correct target.
You will need to uncage the second missile. Then it will be ok. I will fix that it stay on the missile 1 target, that’s wrong.
- After launch with no AGM-65L on aircraft TD Box and TLL on both HUD and HMCS points at wrong location(same as the previous one), also TD Box and ASL dissapears drom HUD(you seen on target diamond on HUD, no TD Box)
Bug indeed, issue spotted
in VIS mode:
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After launch with another AGM-65L TD Box and TLL works fine for both HUD and HMCS.
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After launch with no AGM-65L on aircraft TD Box and ASL dissapears from HUD, TLL shows to target but angle off shows just 10 deg, TD Box and TLL on HMCS works fine.
Bug indeed, issue spotted
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@Tumbler31 good to hear it! Can you also check issue with AGM-88 from my previous post?
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@SkyF0x said in AGM-65L TD box and TLL broken in VIS and PRE modes:
@Tumbler31 good to hear it! Can you also check issue with AGM-88 from my previous post?
yeah fixed in a next release, TDbox and TLL should not be drawn just like on HUD
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