FNG: Where to start...
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Hi folks, another FNG to bother you…I Appoligize in advance for being a PITA… ok last did the falcon 3 and the 4… then went to sea again, circ 1990… finally time and money met up again…so back… just built up a rig I think should work nicely, specs below at the end… where do you suggest I start wrangling this beast to pull it togeather??? It is a bit of a steep climb …like balistic…Win 10 pro is up, falcon 4 installed, BMS 4.37 (I think is the current branch) loaded. Irtrack is due in today, tm worthog hotas kit is on the floor staring at me. I would prefer not to bleed to much sorting all the kit out …voice attack, or ir tracker, hotas, I am guessing one of you found a system u found that works better then just “going for it”… do x 1st, then y next, then z… on a fresh built pc… thanks. And again sorry if being a pita… jim
PC: Intel i7-13700k, Asus Z790 ROG strix, 32gb ram DDR5- 6400, 2x 1TB ssd NVMe x4 raid 1, RTX-3060TI, 3x 25" hd mon 1ms,250mhz, Worthog hotas/pair, IRTracker…
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Oh hey, welcome back, check gear down!
The manual can be a handful, but there’s no need to read the whole thing at once. Your best bet is to refer to the Training manual and take one mission at a time. It contains most of what you need to know to perform a task and then you can refer to other manuals in order to know more.I think your pc setup is fine. I would certainly get a headset with a mic + voice attack and AVCS4 profile. It improves the experience immensely, since most of the time you need to give commands, you hands are already busy flying.
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[I know this post is probably just to flex your awesome new PC specs but I’ll reply anyway… ]
Yes, setting up your hotas and TrackIR and getting your graphics settings and viewport for the 3x-monitor all configured correctly, will take some time and patience.
As a starting hint, I think most triple-monitor pilots use Nvidia Surround to “merge” all 3 into 1 virtual monitor. (But this has implications for day to day Windows use, so ymmv.)
Obviously next step is to get basic hotas functions working – but the Warthog should be recognized and load with good defaults, I think.
I recommend folks start with training mission #3 … starts in-air, about 10 miles south of Kunsan.
Reason: you don’t need to memorize 100 key bindings or spend 45 min going through ramp-start procedure just to realize your throttle isn’t working or something random like that.
And hey there’s no point taking off if you can’t land, right.
Welcome to BMS!
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Not bragging just needing a vector to texico so to speak. And that’s what I am workin with…
Video check. Been tinkering with surround already, as that seemed the logical answer, where I could start not so overwhelming
Following that do I sort irtrack, then hotas, then vox attack?
Looking around in the config and I see u enable IR there, reading and u tubing for about a week as parts arrive… it seems. (still a confusing all the acronims it is also learnin a language too…)
seems to me ur layering one controler on top another on top another trying to get them to play togeather nice. Iam hoping not to make a royal mess.I am also betting things get set up for a reason that may not be clear at 1st but will make perfect sense later… Wise enough to know what I dont know…
Oh I am not running pedals where do folks normally put the brakes? That kind of stuff.
So Kind of trying to wrap my head around it get the picture so to speak… it isnt making sense at this moment yet…
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@Jim_H there are at least a couple different competing voice-command tools now … FoxVox and VoiceAttack. I would save that to last – don’t try to solve everything all at once.
lol yes things like ‘brakes’ are higher priority… if you don’t have analog brakes, use the [K] key on the keyboard
if you start in-air with TR#3, that is literally the only key bind you’ll need to memorize
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@Jim_H said in FNG: Where to start...:
surround
Another tip I think most ultra-widescreen or triple-mon users do, is to adjust their FOV wider than the range of options in the config tool allows. I think 100-120 is common?
You will find an empty file in the User\Config directory, ‘falcon bms user.cfg’, which you can use to specify customizations … just open it in Notepad.
Paste in the values below, will give you a good range to experiment with, in flight… use the mousewheel to zoom in/out.
// // FOV config set g_fMaximumFOV 120.0 set g_fDefaultFOV 100.0 set g_fNarrowFOV 60.0 // for the "Look Closer" ([L] key) toggle set g_fMinimumFOV 10.0 set g_fFOVIncrement 5.0
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I have been a Falcon newbie for 20+ years so never say sorry for that! Here is a great playlist of videos that will certainly help along with the manuals:
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@Jim_H said in FNG: Where to start...:
Hi folks, another FNG to bother you…I Appoligize in advance for being a PITA… ok last did the falcon 3 and the 4… then went to sea again, circ 1990… finally time and money met up again…so back… just built up a rig I think should work nicely, specs below at the end… where do you suggest I start wrangling this beast to pull it togeather??? It is a bit of a steep climb …like balistic…Win 10 pro is up, falcon 4 installed, BMS 4.37 (I think is the current branch) loaded. Irtrack is due in today, tm worthog hotas kit is on the floor staring at me. I would prefer not to bleed to much sorting all the kit out …voice attack, or ir tracker, hotas, I am guessing one of you found a system u found that works better then just “going for it”… do x 1st, then y next, then z… on a fresh built pc… thanks. And again sorry if being a pita… jim
Welcome (back) Jim!
First thing to do is take your specs, copy them, then go to Profile/Edit Profile and Paste them under “Signature” and Save. They are good to have under each post to make Airtex feel bad…For your monitors, you are using surround (and I will assume GSync enabled) so good to go. Airtex’s advice on the FOV is spot on, what I do is set it where I like it as “Base” and use the mouse wheel (by default) to zoom in/out of the HUD as desired. Just play with the numbers until its where you want it. As for TrackIR5, just run it before starting BMS, set your “Center” and “Disable” keys, check movement in the TIR screen , minimize and start BMS. It will see it and it just works once you are in the cockpit. For HOTAS I always advise setting it up using the BMS Splash screen (top right tabs) which is the built in former “Alternative Launcher”. It is pretty intuitive (Axis assign for all axises, Key mapping for button/hat/switch presses). Set your Jstick up with Trim/CMS/TMS/DMS /trigger/ ordinance drop, etc. For the Throttle you can use the “Release” function in Keymapping to get most non-DX switch positions to work or run a Target script that assigns every switch position a DX# press (this is my method). I also print overlays on heavy photo paper for my throttle as the functions lasered in make no sense to me, I assign what I need/use (and have different ones for different sims). Listen to Airtex, learn to use radar and fire A-A missiles, hop in Instant Action and blow some planes out of the sky and have fun! Oh, and highly advise to get pedals with toe brakes, not a necessity (especially in BMS) but if you ever feel like some WWI/WWII action they are essential…
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Welcome (back) Jim!
First thing to do is take your specs, copy them, then go to Profile/Edit Profile and Paste them under “Signature” and Save. They are good to have under each post to make Airtex feel bad…For your monitors, you are using surround (and I will assume GSync enabled) so good to go. Airtex’s advice on the FOV is spot on, what I do is set it where I like it as “Base” and use the mouse wheel (by default) to zoom in/out of the HUD as desired. Just play with the numbers until its where you want it. As for TrackIR5, just run it before starting BMS, set your “Center” and “Disable” keys, check movement in the TIR screen , minimize and start BMS. It will see it and it just works once you are in the cockpit. For HOTAS I always advise setting it up using the BMS Splash screen (top right tabs) which is the built in former “Alternative Launcher”. It is pretty intuitive (Axis assign for all axises, Key mapping for button/hat/switch presses). Set your Jstick up with Trim/CMS/TMS/DMS /trigger/ ordinance drop, etc. For the Throttle you can use the “Release” function in Keymapping to get most non-DX switch positions to work or run a Target script that assigns every switch position a DX# press (this is my method). I also print overlays on heavy photo paper for my throttle as the functions lasered in make no sense to me, I assign what I need/use (and have different ones for different sims). Listen to Airtex, learn to use radar and fire A-A missiles, hop in Instant Action and blow some planes out of the sky and have fun! Oh, and highly advise to get pedals with toe brakes, not a necessity (especially in BMS) but if you ever feel like some WWI/WWII action they are essential…
Ok I am Brain-dead… I don’t see Signature to save my life. Must be in the sun… Something to figure out another day. .
Yes I plan to G-sync. as soon as #3 monitor is dropped off by newegg spot is already for it .
Ok watched Max’s Vid and have the very basic controls in for the Stick /TCS anyway Or I think, Think I have the TrackIR playing maybe . have not got past mapping and buttons… 3am came fast…
Do you have that file for the overlay for the TQS or a template for one, that can be printed? Care to share or link to same? I been searching (googling) for one haven’t stumbled on one yet.
Is there a more or consensus standard arrangement that most folks use as a baseline? besides the basic axis? I know it can be tweaked.
That is today’s tasking fill the coffee pot and see if I can figure out the buttons into something that more or less makes sense…
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@Jim_H said in FNG: Where to start...:
Welcome (back) Jim!
First thing to do is take your specs, copy them, then go to Profile/Edit Profile and Paste them under “Signature” and Save. They are good to have under each post to make Airtex feel bad…For your monitors, you are using surround (and I will assume GSync enabled) so good to go. Airtex’s advice on the FOV is spot on, what I do is set it where I like it as “Base” and use the mouse wheel (by default) to zoom in/out of the HUD as desired. Just play with the numbers until its where you want it. As for TrackIR5, just run it before starting BMS, set your “Center” and “Disable” keys, check movement in the TIR screen , minimize and start BMS. It will see it and it just works once you are in the cockpit. For HOTAS I always advise setting it up using the BMS Splash screen (top right tabs) which is the built in former “Alternative Launcher”. It is pretty intuitive (Axis assign for all axises, Key mapping for button/hat/switch presses). Set your Jstick up with Trim/CMS/TMS/DMS /trigger/ ordinance drop, etc. For the Throttle you can use the “Release” function in Keymapping to get most non-DX switch positions to work or run a Target script that assigns every switch position a DX# press (this is my method). I also print overlays on heavy photo paper for my throttle as the functions lasered in make no sense to me, I assign what I need/use (and have different ones for different sims). Listen to Airtex, learn to use radar and fire A-A missiles, hop in Instant Action and blow some planes out of the sky and have fun! Oh, and highly advise to get pedals with toe brakes, not a necessity (especially in BMS) but if you ever feel like some WWI/WWII action they are essential…
Ok I am Brain-dead… I don’t see Signature to save my life. Must be in the sun… Something to figure out another day. .
Yes I plan to G-sync. as soon as #3 monitor is dropped off by newegg spot is already for it .
Ok watched Max’s Vid and have the very basic controls in for the Stick /TCS anyway Or I think, Think I have the TrackIR playing maybe . have not got past mapping and buttons… 3am came fast…
Do you have that file for the overlay for the TQS or a template for one, that can be printed? Care to share or link to same? I been searching (googling) for one haven’t stumbled on one yet.
Is there a more or consensus standard arrangement that most folks use as a baseline? besides the basic axis? I know it can be tweaked.
That is today’s tasking fill the coffee pot and see if I can figure out the buttons into something that more or less makes sense…
Profile - top right of forum screen, then “Edit Profile”, then scroll down a bit and you will see signature.
I will upload a link to the basic template, I use Adobe to modify it, sure there are alternate programs if you don’t have Acrobat. Also need a 13mm punch or cut holes by hand with an exacto-knife … It will be a bit, i’m 1000 miles from home for the next week…
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@Icer Yea just not seeing it.
I think I worked around it but who knows, been one hell of a day. After along time got the TrackerIR seems to be fair i think, The mounts for the TWS/Hotis were missing hardware had to cobble that together need to hit the hardware-store tomorrow… how do you miss count 4 short flat heads and 4 long flat heads who cant count to 4 : (
Sorry I am exceedingly whining very frustrated. at the moment.
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How do i make Mr 3d Pilot disappear he is a pain in my A$$, maybe later right now I want him gone gets in the way finding things and it is hard enough without him in the way.
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How do I tone done the mouse in the cockpit, it is like a monkey on crack, super sensitive jumps everywhere almost impossible to select anything.
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How do set it up to have both a mouse to select stuff in the cockpit and tracker to view operationally Was driving me nutz.
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How do i get it to create the kneeboard procedures for to follow or get it so a different device laptop or something can display them to much to actually print
Made me Glad I was in the Navy…
until tommrow, need some sleep.
Jim
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Ok what am I doing wrong.
trying to learn the set up sequence… Have a lot of difficulty…
with tracker IR on, viewing out side is decent. inside it is near impossible to be able to select any button, with it off and trying a mouse slightly better but extremely jittery i have charlie house in my hand try to get the mouse to move to the difftent switchs and not go crazy.
I am read the manuals and looking for what I am doin wrong, and You tubin like crazy
but nothing seems to be working fo me at the moment… Maybe a kick in the butt and a point in the right direction lost and cant see the forest for the trees.Thanks Jim
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@Jim_H said in FNG: Where to start...:
- How do i make Mr 3d Pilot disappear
There’s a checkbox to control the default, but press [alt+C] then [P] in-flight, to toggle him on/off.
- How do I tone done the mouse in the cockpit, it is like a monkey on crack
I agree it’s crazy fast by default. For mouselook there’s a slider on the Setup / Controllers / Advanced page.
But I think (?) the yellow crosshair mouse cursor is controlled by a cfg parameter. Add this to your
Falcon BMS User.cfg
file like the FOV stuff above.set g_fMouseSensitivity 0.25
- How do set it up to have both a mouse to select stuff in the cockpit and tracker to view operationally Was driving me nutz.
I don’t have TrackIR but I think what most people do is press [F9] to pause TrackIR while interacting with switches in the cockpit.
(Note this is a TrackIR hotkey, not a BMS hotkey … you may need to configure or enable it, in the TIR sofware.)
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@Jim_H can you explain better why it’s near impossible to select any buttons with TrackIR on? There are various different reasons why that might be, is the view moving too much? Mouse cursor is too sensitive? As far as the mouse cursor, I’ve never had an issue with BMS but my windows mouse cursor speed is turned down to pretty low anyway. Try adjusting that to the lowest you feel comfortable using and see if it’s still too sensitive in BMS.
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@ Airtex thank you, I will look for that.
@SOBO-87 with track IR, in track IR pretty decent not perfect but not terrible from what I can tell so far … In side but BMS external view not to bad, inside the cockpit if i even twitch the bug is flying around like mad, it can jump from the very rear to the throttle in an instant while my chin is on my chest looking down if i remove the reflectors, or turn tracker it off ( so i can use the mouse it is also just hyper sensitive) not quite as bad. Been trying to find in the manuals where to tune them way down just not finding it. just alot of trail and mostly error at the moment
the mouse, I have one hell of a time moving around Bucky badger (pilot) to even see / find a buttion i am searching for… if i can get focused on say ext lights if i twitch I am at aux comms or EPU or Eng start or on top Buckys head so I end up with a death grip on the mouse trying to move it .1 mm and not over shoot so the cursor goes active to select something as i am looking for it (an that is a WIP) I have to like look down and try not to move or wiggle my hand muscles are actually sore
the mouse on the PC outside of BMS is totally normal i even dumb-ed it down there too I am just no having any luck…
the learning i expected, fighting the mouse and tracker
it is messed up as hogans goat at the moment.
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@Jim_H remember you can hit [L] to “look-closer” or use mousewheel to zoom focus in/out … to better read the labels and see the switch states better.
I do a couple other things, to reduce frustration… eg. if you want the mouse to respond more smoothly and predictably, you can disable the “sticky” anchoring.
I also disable the scroll-wheel-turns-knobs, because I hate grabbing a random knob by accident when I’m trying to zoom in/out.
// // Mouse stuff set g_fMouseSensitivity 0.25 set g_b3DClickableCursorAnchored 0 set g_bMouseWheelKnobs 0
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Today I Learned… thank you to the awesome community here - amazing!
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@Jim_H ok so you’re using Track IR with reflectors and not an active LED clip?
I would recommend getting an LED Clip, it will make the tracking much better and more predictable. It can usually be clipped to a audio headset if you’re using one.
The official Track Clip Pro, works great, but there are other options like the Delan clip which work just as well.
Also remember track IR is sensitive to IR light interference. So if you have any sunlight in your background that can be causing wild behaviour.
In order to make track IR less sensitive you need to play with the track IR software to make a profile you like. You can add smoothing that will reduce the twitchiness, and bind keybinds to your joystick to freeze the head if you need it. On the Warthog I used to use the little pinky switch on the far left end for this.
I’m still puzzled as to why your mouse speed in the sim is so high. What resolution are you running BMS at?
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@SOBO-87 thanks all,
Yes reflectors now and for a little while. Wallet is Winchester at the moment…1920x1080 at the moment, have not set up the 3 monitor surround yet a basic hotas maping trying to keep it simple for the moment till I get more comfortable with it all
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@Jim_H said in FNG: Where to start...:
@SOBO-87 thanks all,
Yes reflectors now and for a little while. Wallet is Winchester at the moment…1920x1080 at the moment, have not set up the 3 monitor surround yet a basic hotas maping trying to keep it simple for the moment till I get more comfortable with it all
have not used the hat reflectors thing in many years but it does sound like you are getting light contamination in the camera. The way to check it is expand the TIR window so you can see the camera grid. If there are (red?) spots showing on the camera display (from memory, can’t look at it) on the screen its glare. This will totally screw up your head movement… No open windows or bright lights behind you… just a guess, as it happens with the Track-Clip that way… Head flies all over the place.