What is the efficiency of EA-6?
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1. can it really work on enemy radar?
2. how does it work? affect radius?
3. if i load it with 5 ALQ-99 pods, does it work better?
4. how many kinds of ECM platform i can deploy? is there sth can MISDIRECT enemy fighter, so i can shoot him from his side?i dunno how to run a specific test, to gather accurate data.
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1. Yes. It works for enemy mud radars
2. as far as I remember 40nm around the ECM AC EDIT: Not true. See link in post #2
3. no
4. EA-6B and EF-111A / It doesn’t work for AA radarTry a search here. I beleive Molni did some tests a while ago.
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oh i found partial answer
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?6680-the-Proper-use-of-ELINT&highlight=ecm+platform -
1. Yes. It works for enemy mud radars
4. EA-6B and EF-111A / It doesn’t work for AA radari dont think so. MAV-jp said in that post, it works on AA radar.
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And I was referring to this one:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?10298-ECM-PACKAGE&highlight=ecm+flightThanks for your link. So I was wrong regarding the area which is protected. Old AF thinking
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And here he said it doesn’t work:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?10298-ECM-PACKAGE&p=132202&viewfull=1#post132202
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All SOJ AC on the same level. Check RP5 manual. And yes, they are funtional and very powerful. One SOJ AC close to FLOT, all SAMs is quiet in my campaign. IMHO SOJ currently is too powerful, therefore should not be used. Because of applied equation that effect on radar range can be interesting. Just check with exel the equation with different radar ranges and SOJ-radar distances.
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i did some test myself:
a EA-6 can completely suppress 3 SA-2, 3 SA-3, 1 SA-5, 1 SA-10 at the same time, without ALQ-99 pod, 10nm away.
it seems doesn’t work on SU-27(probably), so i dunno why MAV-jp said that. -
The pod does not count. As I can judge only the STP type defines the capability. So if you let ECM role and set ECM STP in TE or campaign for any AC it will AC as a SOJ AC.
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The pod does not count. As I can judge only the STP type defines the capability. So if you let ECM role and set ECM STP in TE or campaign for any AC it will AC as a SOJ AC.
Is the wing-pod useful for aircraft’s self-defense against enemy fighters?
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As I know it has absolutly no effect, because EA-6B has “jammer flag” in DB. The SOJ capability in not ‘pod’ or ‘flag’ modeled. In is optical tuning, nothing else. If ATO send them ECM mission and you reomve pods as I know they remanin functional as SOJ and because of a ‘has jammer’ flag, they have the “self defense ECM” capability.
You have to admit the limitation of ECM modeling. In RL is an AC have jammer and other AC fly closer it can protect the AC close to them. In Falcon world the ACM does not have such an ‘area effect’.
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How does that effect your own radar? I know older radars could jam each other just by having two ac with their radar active so only one ac had its radar active and the other had to be silent.
I guess we have better stuff today but wouldn’t it effect all radars?Cheers
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Not a hundred percent sure but EW jamming occurs by frequency. Jammers are pre-loaded with specific frequencies to jam in the battlefield. This is loaded into the jammer before flight. If certain SAM radars are present in the AOO the jammer can be programmed to jam that freq. This is the easy explanation of how its done.
More detail:
Electronic jamming is a form of Electronic Warfare where jammers radiate interfering signals toward an enemy’s radar, blocking the receiver with highly concentrated energy signals. The two main technique styles are noise techniques and repeater techniques. The three types of noise jamming are spot, sweep, and barrage.
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Spot jamming occurs when a jammer focuses all of its power on a single frequency. While this would severely degrade the ability to track on the jammed frequency, a frequency agile radar would hardly be affected because the jammer can only jam one frequency. While multiple jammers could possibly jam a range of frequencies, this would consume a great deal of resources to have any effect on a frequency-agile radar, and would probably still be ineffective.
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Sweep jamming is when a jammer’s full power is shifted from one frequency to another. While this has the advantage of being able to jam multiple frequencies in quick succession, it does not affect them all at the same time, and thus limits the effectiveness of this type of jamming. Although, depending on the error checking in the device(s) this can render a wide range of devices effectively useless.
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Barrage jamming is the jamming of multiple frequencies at once by a single jammer. The advantage is that multiple frequencies can be jammed simultaneously; however, the jamming effect can be limited because this requires the jammer to spread its full power between these frequencies, as the number of frequencies covered increases the less effectively each is jammed.
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Base jamming is a new type of Barrage Jamming where one radar is jammed effectively at its source at all frequencies. However, all other radars continue working normally.
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Pulse jamming produces noise pulses with period depending on radar mast rotation speed thus creating blocked sectors from directions other than the jammer making it harder to discover the jammer location.
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Cover pulse jamming creates a short noise pulse when radar signal is received thus conceiling any aircraft flying behind the EW craft with a block of noise.
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Digital radio frequency memory, or DRFM jamming, or Repeater jamming is a repeater technique that manipulates received radar energy and retransmits it to change the return the radar sees. This technique can change the range the radar detects by changing the delay in transmission of pulses, the velocity the radar detects by changing the doppler shift of the transmitted signal, or the angle to the plane by using AM techniques to transmit into the sidelobes of the radar. DRFM jamming can create false targets behind the EW craft but not in front of it because the jamming signal must be timed after the received radar signal. By analysing received signal strength from side and backlobes and thus getting radar antennae radiation pattern false targets can be created to directions other than one where the jammer is coming from. If each radar pulse is uniquely coded it is not possible to create targets to directions other than the direction of the jammer
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Deceptive jamming uses techniques like “range gate pull-off” to break a radar lock.
Not sure about falcon though…
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@mAXpOWER:
How does that effect your own radar? I know older radars could jam each other just by having two ac with their radar active so only one ac had its radar active and the other had to be silent.
I guess we have better stuff today but wouldn’t it effect all radars?Cheers
100% interference filtering is modeled for all AC from F-22 down to stone age MiG-21. These feauters cannot be modeled well, far beyond a commercial sim capability.
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As I know it has absolutly no effect, because EA-6B has “jammer flag” in DB. The SOJ capability in not ‘pod’ or ‘flag’ modeled. In is optical tuning, nothing else. If ATO send them ECM mission and you reomve pods as I know they remanin functional as SOJ and because of a ‘has jammer’ flag, they have the “self defense ECM” capability.
You have to admit the limitation of ECM modeling. In RL is an AC have jammer and other AC fly closer it can protect the AC close to them. In Falcon world the ACM does not have such an ‘area effect’.
So is it useful or not to have an ECM plane in flight trough Jam-Waypoints to protect a strike package? Does it have any effect on enemy surface radars?
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EA-6 as in real as in BMS is jamming ground stuff not airborne radars. Yes if want to kill an sa-10 than fly along with it at a 10 miles radius and success is warantied. It’s been disquasd elsewhere also. Shame no ea-6 on Korea campaign. Molni do u have them in yours?
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Molni do u have them in yours?
I planned to use but SOJ is too powerful. Literally disables all SAMs if even only one flies along the FLOT. I can release cam file which contains one sq. but it leads unbalanced camaign because red side does not have SOJ capable AC…
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I just checked, there is an EA-6B in my Korea MOD.
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Hey all.
I did some testing in 4.33, and thought I’d share my results:
E/A-18G Growler vs North Korean SA-2 Guideline.3 x ALQ-99
2 x AIM-120C AMRAAM
2 x AGM-88 HARM
2 x 330 Gallon fuel tanks
Speed 300-400kts (Straight n’ level)
Altitude 18.000ftFirst SA-2 launch:
With ALQ-99 OFF With ALQ-99 ON
18.3 nm 8.0 nm
19.0 nm 8.7 nm
18.9 nm 7.9 nm
17.8 nm 7.4 nm
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18.5 nm 8.0 nmIf anybody has more data, regarding different systems, I’d appreciate it. thx
MIL
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Hey all.
I did some testing in 4.33, and thought I’d share my results:
E/A-18G Growler vs North Korean SA-2 Guideline.3 x ALQ-99
2 x AIM-120C AMRAAM
2 x AGM-88 HARM
2 x 330 Gallon fuel tanks
Speed 300-400kts (Straight n’ level)
Altitude 18.000ftFirst SA-2 launch:
With ALQ-99 OFF With ALQ-99 ON
18.3 nm 8.0 nm
19.0 nm 8.7 nm
18.9 nm 7.9 nm
17.8 nm 7.4 nm
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18.5 nm 8.0 nmIf anybody has more data, regarding different systems, I’d appreciate it. thx
MIL
602nd VFS “Devils”It does not matter for SOJ that your ECM is on or not. The code caculcate the distance between you and SAM battery and depending on distance the range value is multiplied and calculated by an equation. Check RP5 manual, it is likely still valid in this area. The turned on ECM also has effect but that workes besides the SOJ effect. The SOJ cannot be detected in Falcon is modeled only by presence of SOJ AC and distance. No RWR indication, you cannot turn off, etc.