Anyone tested leap Motion with BMS?
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I have works just fine as u can see in the vid.
I see that now, at first it looked like you were panning with the Leapmotion, that could be really awesome, an all-in one solution, no external MFDs, ICP, switches, touch screens, etc. Anybody want to buy some lightly used Thrustamster MFDs and a Logitech G13
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I see that now, at first it looked like you were panning with the Leapmotion, that could be really awesome, an all-in one solution, no external MFDs, ICP, switches, touch screens, etc. Anybody want to buy some lightly used Thrustamster MFDs and a Logitech G13
This was the reason why I was holding and not getting the MFD’s and such… I’ve been waiting for it for more then a year… Glad I did… For now.
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I have works just fine as u can see in the vid.
How long have you had it? - Any caveats like lighting levels?
mainly negative reviews on here:
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Just 2 days guys and didn’t had much time to use - test it.
Negatives??? well the app store app that was supposed to make it function as a mouse doesn’t work on my pc. On others works ok. Well it’s still on experimental stage. I just solved it a few hours ago with the free Airkey app and I already use it instead of the mouse… very smooth… I just have to get used to it. Adobe acrobat recognizes it and has better functionality.On my Mac the mouse function is super… but it doesn’t work on the leapmotion apps… most of them require a newer version of MACOS I’m on 10.6.8 and asks for 10.7.0 So I might have to upgrade… or just wait for it.
But my concern was Falcon only since it works as I expected then I’m fine.
My kids loved it and they got used to it right away… and eyeing on it lol…
On the leaving room at noon I had some lighting issues but I closed one window and all fine. No problem with artificial light or afternoon.
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Okay thanks - might as well order one
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Looks like I’ll be an earlier adopter like I was with the TIR I can see this being just as big.
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But wouldn’t your shoulder/arm get tired after prolonged use? I certainly wouldn’t use it for FPS’s .)
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@Vip:
But wouldn’t your shoulder/arm get tired after prolonged use? I certainly wouldn’t use it for FPS’s .)
wouldn’t if u had to operate the switches or the mouse? u can place the sensor wherever it feels more comfortable to u.
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I am curious. What is the impact to framerate?
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well didn’t notice anything on my tests…
but has an option in settings for Low Resource Mode. I believe this will cover those that will have problems. -
BMS 4.32 Kinect.
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according to the video , it seems completely unefficient, much too slow in a combat environment.
IMHO , touch screens are much more adapted to BMS
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same thoughts as Mav-jp though.It’s just like a new kind of mouse. You still have to coordinate the finger and the pointer.
Maybe fun for a ramp start but nothing for combat action.
I’m still glad that I just received the LG touchsceen and build it in my pit yesterday.But leap motion is very interesting for musicians and many other users - guitar around the neck and easy controll off cubase or whatever.
livrot
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With a little practice it will soon be just as efficient as any other mouse, unless you have parkinson, but real touching is better than just playing with your hand.
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about the coordination is usage mostly, as u use u get better. The video was my very first try with BMS. Remember your very first trackir usage, how hard it was to click with the mouse? Now i adjusted the accuracy and the overall speed is twice as much, also second third try to accomplish the click are waaaaaaay redused, in short im way close to mouse usage.
Icp usage where centering trackir is easier is way fast and cool.Also pilots have some trouble… the sides of the ICP as a real pilot told me are to use force with the palm and give input with thumb, that is for g conditions where its not that easy to have your hand stable, so pilots also face the same thing.
Sure i would love it to be better, but guys i have it only a few hours working with BMS. Needs more testing for accuracy, also mouse settings must influence, so I must coordinate airkey settings with mouse settings to achieve better results.
Also airkey as the dev says was a quick dirty solution (he said he done it in a few minutes) and in the future will get it better.
When I’m a bit more satisfied then now i will up another video, so u guys have a second opinion.
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With a little practice it will soon be just as efficient as any other mouse, unless you have parkinson, but real touching is better than just playing with your hand.
I am of the opinion that whilst a real mouse is probably a little better, clearly real switches would be quicker.
then again, your HOTAS is there for a reason. most of the hands off controls are designed so that they are not needed in combat, no?
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Well have ordered one so will see - the fact you don’t have to touch the screen appeals to me personally - so hopefully great potential in it or something similar later on.
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Also pilots have some trouble… the sides of the ICP as a real pilot told me are to use force with the palm and give input with thumb, that is for g conditions where its not that easy to have your hand stable, so pilots also face the same thing.
Yes, even in small airplanes turbulence alone can wreck havoc on you trying to work a GPS or something similar.
@Blu3wolf:I am of the opinion that whilst a real mouse is probably a little better, clearly real switches would be quicker.
then again, your HOTAS is there for a reason. most of the hands off controls are designed so that they are not needed in combat, no?
I have some XKeys Matrix based switch panels from my old cockpit that needs some serious refurbing to get back in working condition (it went unused for 5 years and 2 moves). I plan to use the Leap Motion for non-priority switches that you would flip maybe once or twice a flight, maybe more. I had planned to use a wireless mini keyboard with touch pad or a trackball for mouse input in a simpler cockpit. I didn’t really want to use a mouse left handed, but you can tell the F-16 was ergonomically planned for the switched to be operated by the left hand That keeps your right on the stick as much as possible so I hate to use a regular mouse right handed to hit switches. I feel like the Leap Motion will conserve the space that I need for the mouse travel (or even mini-keyboard w/ touchpad) and be more natural for left hand usage. Plus like a TrackIR, it doesn’t feel 100% realistic, but at least you are moving your head to control view. Here the mouse has always felt crowded with my space, slightly unatural movement for switch usage, and a little bit of an immersion killer with switches. Hopefully the Leap Motion will feel a little better now that I’m not using the switches. But I will always miss my pull-to-throw master arm, realistic gear and spring loaded MPO switches. But I just don’t have the time anymore to burn like I did when I built them the first time.
I will probably keep the Thrustmaster MFDs and Logitech G13 for the ICP/DED. The display and tactile feed back of the G13 makes it worth it. The MFDs I don’t feel like you need as much tactile feedback since most of the time you get some pretty good visual feedback that you pressed the button, but I could see them being some of the hardest to use with the Leap Motion since I already have problems mousing them with their relative size and proximity of other the buttons. My problem is the transition or emergency use switches that aren’t on the HOTAS, are rarely used, but when you need them, they need to be accessed quickly. Most of these are going into shifted modes for on the input devices, but if Leap Motion can be as natural for mouse work as the TrackIR is for views, I may not need all that shifting.
Also I really feel like I want to utilize the 3D cockpit, even with the HOTAS/MFD/ICP/extra instrument monitors combo. I am still impressed with how far it has came and I already need a 3D view to utilize the TIR. Eventually as I get back in the swing of things, that might change.
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same thoughts as Mav-jp though.It’s just like a new kind of mouse. You still have to coordinate the finger and the pointer.
Maybe fun for a ramp start but nothing for combat action.
I’m still glad that I just received the LG touchsceen and build it in my pit yesterday.But leap motion is very interesting for musicians and many other users - guitar around the neck and easy controll off cubase or whatever.
livrot
I expressed inexact. Very sorry about that.
What I meant was that going with the left hand to a touchscreen and switching around is straightforward.
Having to hold a finger over the leap motion and THEN moving the BMS cursor over the (probably not so steady) freetrack or TIR view to a tiny button is another game - the cursor game.One good point for the leap motion: your eyes can stay on your BMS 3D all the time - good for immersion.
Optical touchscreen: Viewsonic TD2220 - 220 euro
negative: flies can switch around in your cockpit too. Two point touch only. Bezels (bad for win 8 gestures).Capacitive Touchscreen: LG 23ET83V - 320 euro
positive: flies did until now not interact with it when running over it. 10 point touch. good IPS panel without bezels.LG 23ET83V
I strapped a standard wallmount to its back (cable strappers) and so I can hang it in the pit when I want to fly and put it back on the desk afterwards.A fast, functional, and beautifull pit never was cheaper.
Who knows - maybe the devs (i mean our beloved devs - big THANKS! to them again!) decide to try and make the BMS CURSOR absolute vodka.
But I doubt it would be usefull unless the users put a freetrack / TIR temporary freeze (plus a little zoom in action at the same time) HOTkey link on their sticks. Eyes on ONE screen and touch it to switch! Immersion.I still believe the separation of main screen (3d world) and touchscreen below (cockpit) is the best for fast action.
TWA separate! CMDS to bypass! CAT I! ICP WARN resest! next steerpoint! master caution!do all that with leap motion while egressing and being shot at by ZSU 23-4 at night with tracer rounds and looking left and right for flak density.
touchscreen.