Tactical advise
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Furballs are for pussy……cats?
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go TWS, beam group in front left, begin firing at MIGs to my front, kick on burner to put space between the group on my right and 6 to stop being archered, once group in front is dead and seperation gained, think about turning to attack the other MIGs, assuming they are at least ~20 miles behind me and are not MIG-29S.
if basically any of those are S you’re probably a dead man, by the way. best way to avoid that situation is never to enter it.
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Fire a whack of chainsaws/mad dogs and go home.
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Or: FOX3 long early (little bit around Ropt, but not outside Raero) towards the ^29 at 12’clock, and support the AIM120 in a left cranck (target at right gimbals). Hopefully the AIM120 will get the ^29 AI on defensive run early. I would assume that the hostile aircraft is heading towards friendly area and you keep pressing him into that direction, eithe he’ll get killed by you if he turns hot (your second AIM120 or send your AI wingman after him) or killed by other friendly assets if he keeps running in the wrong direction.
What was your fuel state and how deep where you?
Cheers,
ScubHi all,
Came across this RWR situation on the egress. Multiple Mig-29 spikeson my 1,3,4 & 5 o’clock.
I was with a 4-ship, each 2 AIM-120’s + 2 AIM-9x. All green and CAT1. But all AI…. How do you tackle this situation? -
hi Jhook,
Thanks for the reply first of all.
Well, the group on my nose was at 20nm. The rest were a little closer, resp. 18, 18 and 15 miles. But all nose hot. Basically 10-20 seconds before the merge (14nm).
We got jumped litteraly and AWACS did not paint the picture fully. We only got the close bandit in the ‘request picture’ call I put out on my bomb run.
I got off two AMRAAMS, then burn to the safe zone (my 9-12) and run but they did get my wingman. It was a very tricky situation and I could not use BVR maneuvering.
So I was wondering how other pilots deal with this situation.Looking forward to the replies!
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thanks Cik! That’s a good way to deal with it. I’ll put that one in my tactical notes. They were closer than 20nm though; but still. That’s a good maneuver.
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Or: FOX3 long early (little bit around Ropt, but not outside Raero) towards the ^29 at 12’clock, and support the AIM120 in a left cranck (target at right gimbals). Hopefully the AIM120 will get the ^29 AI on defensive run early. I would assume that the hostile aircraft is heading towards friendly area and you keep pressing him into that direction, eithe he’ll get killed by you if he turns hot (your second AIM120 or send your AI wingman after him) or killed by other friendly assets if he keeps running in the wrong direction.
What was your fuel state and how deep where you?
Cheers,
ScubHi Scuby, Nice one as well. We were on the egress at around 3000 pounds. The 29 on my nose was blocking my route home, and we were slightly past the FLOT. I didn’t take that into consideration actually so thanks. Beaming didn’t come to mind at that moment but it will next time! Thanks again,
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Just remember that your AIM120 may also be a powerful standoff weapon for those type of scenarios. Your best defense though is to never get surrounded. Think less deep, more support flights or frequent in flight sit. checks.
Good luck mate
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launch first at closet bogie in TWS, call element clear my six while moving your radar cursor over second closest bogie in your radar to order wingman to engage then as soon as you get pitbull prepare to engage the two behind you
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Can someone confirm that there will be raised a flght to help the caller?
If flight are available … otherwise, ATM will try to divert another flight. (But delay before help arrive can be too long to be efficient.)
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hi Jhook,
Thanks for the reply first of all.
Well, the group on my nose was at 20nm. The rest were a little closer, resp. 18, 18 and 15 miles. But all nose hot. Basically 10-20 seconds before the merge (14nm).
We got jumped litteraly and AWACS did not paint the picture fully. We only got the close bandit in the ‘request picture’ call I put out on my bomb run.
I got off two AMRAAMS, then burn to the safe zone (my 9-12) and run but they did get my wingman. It was a very tricky situation and I could not use BVR maneuvering.
So I was wondering how other pilots deal with this situation.Looking forward to the replies!
I’m sorry to say that other engage reply’s stated would not end well. You have NO TIME.
I assume each spike are 2 Mig 29’s? The only time you have is to “maddog” 2 slammers and beam to your 9 “o clock” and burn! Get low and fast! Use terrain masking if your over the FLOT heading home. You can also sacrifice your wingman/element for those Migs at your initial 3 and 5 “o clock” by clearing them out (clear my six). Run home! You are in a very bad situation with low fuel for a fight. The Migs are so close that they may have already locked you up and fired. You will end up using most of your fuel to try to extend and escape. Hopefully, the 2 slammers will put the 12 “o clock” Migs in “defensive”. That way they are occupied enough you can beam around them in your low and fast burn that they will not engage you. Once in friendly territory, land immediately!
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Can someone confirm that there will be raised a flght to help the caller?
That was a joke….
“Request Help” never has worked well for me. I never use it.
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That was a joke….
“Request Help” never has worked well for me. I never use it.
I am not sure. A time ago I gave it a try, but after that and a few minutes later I was shoot down, but AFAIR there was a added flight in the air.
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I am pretty noobish and have no tactical knowledge whatsoever but I really want to give my 2 cents on this subject.
Given the RWR picture from the original post, it being on egress and his relative low level on fuel I would’ve kept flying towards the 29 on his 12 o’clock until he was in Fox 3 range. Fire, beam him on your 2 o’clock and keep egressing.
It’s risky, but the plane comes first imo
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It’s risky, but the plane comes first imo
That’s bomber pilot chickenshit! Real fighter pilots go for the kill…everytime!
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Yeah I agree with that. Falcon is for aggressive tactics. If you get a missile launch then full afterburner dive then kill those Migs and to hell with playing it safe. attack attack attack
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…. the 29 on his 12 o’clock until he was in Fox 3 range. Fire, beam him on your 2 o’clock and keep egressing. …
He was 20 miles and nose hot(?) …. someone in that flight should’ve had a missile in the air already. That should be well within parameters.
The others … 15 miles, nose hot and you’re passed the FLOT with 3000 pounds … you should be running home already (following that missile that should’ve already been fired).
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That’s bomber pilot chickenshit! Real fighter pilots go for the kill…everytime!
In movies or in novel. In the real life there are risk level matrix. (one saved a/c can kill more Migs later than killing one just before taking an AA12 in the mouth.)
RL pilots are much smarter. (at least, the one I know)