AGM88 from high alt strangeness :O
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What kind of shot was it?
As I read it, he was shooting at jack shit ā¦. which as far as I know is NOT a radar emission source.
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As I read it, he was shooting at jack shit ā¦. which as far as I know is NOT a radar emission source.
Funny, but @mookar,
It would help if you give us more info.
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Are you missing completely or just hitting something other than the intended radar?
Iām not sure, the debrief says the tgt I shot at was not hit, Iām pretty sure it had not switched to anything other neraby.
What kind of shot was it?
It was HAD shots on SA2 and SA3, all high alt shots missed consistently. Smells lika a major flaw
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Try making an ACMI to see what it does. AFAIK, the HARM will climb after release, so perhaps it enters an altitude where the air is so thin the āwingsā no longer have any influence on trajectory. (If thatās simulated?)
Another possibility is that it just takes too long for the missile to get there from such an altitude. IIRC, after 2 minutes the HARM will self destruct.
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Another possibility is that it just takes too long for the missile to get there from such an altitude. IIRC, after 2 minutes the HARM will self destruct.
I doubt that it takes more than 3-4 minutes from this alt max range in fact it shouold be about 4
after 2 minutes the HARM will self destruct.
Hmm, that might not be correct, about 3 minutes is the flight time of the missle at max range.
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@mookar:
I doubt that it takes more than 3-4 minutes from this alt max range in fact it shouold be about 4
Hmm, that might not be correct, about 3 minutes is the flight time of the missle at max range.
The default self destruction time - as I can remember -240 sec. Check the dat file.
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The default self destruction time - as I can remember -240 sec. Check the dat file.
Aah, that may be it then, itās probably more than 4 minutes of flight to the tgt.
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I find AGM 88ās hit and miss anyway when using the HAD because they depend on the target to be still emitting. Hence, wherever possible i use POS - EOM mode. They nearly always find their target that way but of course it only works on stationary targets. For movers like SA-6 i use AGM 65ās anyway.
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Concur with Richā¦thatās the way I do it as well.
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For movers like SA-6
Is the SA6 capable of moving and shooting at the same time?
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From dat file.
200 # Max Time of Flight (sec)
For movers like SA-6. Is the SA6 capable of moving and shooting at the same time?
In RL not as well as not in BMS4. They can perform āsnapshotsā when stopped for a moment which is unreal. The SAM relocation modeling in Falcon is literally non existant. During moving SAMs should not be able to use radars and snapshots also should be preveneted.
Even you fix or uprage this the FLOT following behavior is very hard to control - or impossible - currently annd the ābestā part that you do not have to worry about modeling relocation. with current 2D and 3D modelg values all SAM die much before this can be an modeling flawā¦.
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I have found 200s to be the TTL for HARMs empirically. Itās nice to see that jive with DB values.
HARMs will miss over the top of threats in POS mode (especially RUK) when the missile is pointed nose up or at high alt level when it should normally be discovering the emission. When the POS STPT is co-located with the emission, it discovers reliably. Even a RUK shot will turn toward the ground when it reaches the STPT.
The only real complaint I have with HARMs is how terribly they make turns in azimuth. Firing 90Ā° off axis at a 20nm threat in HAD or EOM should be a slam dunk but the missile turns so lazily that while itās going to get there eventually the 200s TTL becomes too much. A short-range, off-axis, precision location shot (like HAD) should turn hard, bleed energy, and get there in time to do some good. In BMS I found it takes the scenic route so I try to avoid any more than 30 degrees off axis.
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I have found 200s to be the TTL for HARMs empirically. Itās nice to see that jive with DB values.
Whatās that suppose to mean? Are you a real world āWeaselā jockey?
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When does the HARM start searching for radar emissions in HAD mode?
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The only real complaint I have with HARMs is how terribly they make turns in azimuth. Firing 90Ā° off axis at a 20nm threat in HAD or EOM should be a slam dunk but the missile turns so lazily that while itās going to get there eventually the 200s TTL becomes too much. A short-range, off-axis, precision location shot (like HAD) should turn hard, bleed energy, and get there in time to do some good. In BMS I found it takes the scenic route so I try to avoid any more than 30 degrees off axis.
Its funny that you say this because just yesterday I was in instant action mode testing my new stick mappings and I locked something on HAD that I thought was in front of me but actually was off to my right and my harm did an almost instant 90 degree right turn off the rail to track it down.
I was so surprised I immediately jumped into missile view to see if it was going to hit anything. It had great maneuverability though, way more than thirty degrees off axis.
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I doesnāt matter what alt itās released at to me it seems that even the slightest off-boresight shot always misses Is it a reliable missile the HARM at all?
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Well, technically speaking the Shrike was capable of doing a 180 degree turn according to what the Wild Weasel crews were told in Vietnam, but I think we all know how well they worked being employed normally. Way I see it is that no matter what the weapon and its capabilities, do what you can to make its job easier. Thereās no point stretching equipment to its limits just for the show of it.
For accuracy, use the Weapons page with preplanned waypoints. If you have to use HAD mode, donāt fire until you see the proverbial white in the SAM crewās eyes, unless they fire at you, in which case you return the favour with a HARM and take evasive action. If they donāt turn off their radar, the HARM will have no issues tracking.
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For accuracy, use the Weapons page with preplanned waypoints. If you have to use HAD mode, donāt fire until you see the proverbial white in the SAM crewās eyes, unless they fire at you, in which case you return the favour with a HARM and take evasive action. If they donāt turn off their radar, the HARM will have no issues tracking.
Concur. Most of my deliveries with HARMs is through the weapons page. Especially, when other radars are also in the area.
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Whatās that suppose to mean? Are you a real world āWeaselā jockey?
Lulz, no but I play one on TV. TTL is ātime to liveā itās used to describe when computer programming timeouts happen. Itās a programmer slang. Also jive means āagree.ā
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Hey, nice! Where can see that TV show/series?
About the missile -
Not sure 200 seconds are enough to provide a > 100 km shot (especially when the missile is doing a 45 degrees climb). Does this 200 seconds limit is verified by a pilot/technician (probably not, as it is a military secret). Also what happened after TTL time expired? Self destruction?