F-16 B52+ HAF / CFT
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hey guys, i noticed these things in the campaign editor the other day. does anyone know how well modeled they are? unless i’m stupid, the CFT one especially should be noticeably heavier right? i’m just wondering if the flight model takes that into account or if they behave differently. i’d like to play with them because they are sparrow-capable, whereas the normal run of the mill korean falcons (american, south korean) are not. are they modelled OK? flyable? avionics differences i don’t mind so much, just if they behave relatively well in-flight. i know for instance that in the FO balkans theater there are CFT fitted falcons for long strikes and they do seem to behave like i imagine they should, but perhaps they’ve tweaked them quite a bit?
if that won’t work, is there anyway to tweak the default falcons to carry the sparrow? i’m interested. i’ve tried to add sparrows to the squadrons via mission commander, but no luck; the planes themselves can’t seem to mount them on any pylons.
thanks for any help offered.
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The loadout screen shows 21,200 lbs empty for the C B52+ with CFTs (compared to a C B52 at 19,500 lbs) and the fuel is increased accordingly.
The B52+ has avionics differences - the APG-68v9 is advertised with different radar modes (ERS & SAR) and it possibly has a colour moving map (?) like the A-10C
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If you download the Israel Theater, the faqs say this (not sure if it relates),
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?17287-Israel-TheaterFor the F-16I-CFT it is realistic to always decrease the amount of fuel by 1400 lbs in the munitions screen.
This is because no flight model of F-16D-52+CFT is present in the BMS data, and so the F-16I-CFT uses FM of F-16C-52+CFT. The I is a two seat variant unlike the F-16C-52+CFT, which holds 1400 lbs more internal fuel.
Note that the F-16I without CFT uses FM of D-52 and so holds the correct amount of internal fuel. -
On a related topic does anyone know if the HAF Block 52+ non CFT has a proper flight model in the normal Korea Theater?
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On a related topic does anyone know if the HAF Block 52+ non CFT has a proper flight model in the normal Korea Theater?
What, “proper” ?
All F-16 have good flight characteristics. however the HAF models are not stock BMS.
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On a related topic does anyone know if the HAF Block 52+ non CFT has a proper flight model in the normal Korea Theater?
Yes it has, there are no FM differences in between e.g. HAF Block 52+ non CFT and a standard USAF Block 52.
In real CFT’s have no major differences in the bird’s FM, no limits etc. The only difference is that due to increased total lift by the airframe, in landing > aerobraking they tent to keep the speed a bit longer in the 120 to 100 kts range, seems the plane does not want to touch down.
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WHAT??!!!
Take a better look m8…
What’s this mate shit,
The last time I looked there are no dedicated HAF flight models in the DB so if there are deployed variations in the HAF F-16 it is not modelled with a dedicated FM.So the question was do they have a “proper flight model” and the answer is they share a stock FM, not a HAF variant. (Unlike a few for IAF airframes)
And as such is it a “proper” FM, I don’t know do you?
m8
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What’s this mate shit,
The last time I looked there are no dedicated HAF flight models in the DB so if there are deployed variations in the HAF F-16 it is not modelled with a dedicated FM.So the question was do they have a “proper flight model” and the answer is they share a stock FM, not a HAF variant. (Unlike a few for IAF airframes)
And as such is it a “proper” FM, I don’t know do you?
m8
So your saying that there is no 52+ / 52+CFT AFM/OFM.dat ?
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There is a dedicated HAF C52+CFT flight model in 4.32. The weight is correct (heavier) and so is the total amount of fuel. However the location of the CFT fuel is incorrect leading to a wrong meter reading when selecting FR/AL modes and somewhat wrong inertia moments.
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There is a dedicated HAF C52+CFT flight model in 4.32. The weight is correct (heavier) and so is the total amount of fuel. However the location of the CFT fuel is incorrect leading to a wrong meter reading when selecting FR/AL modes and somewhat wrong inertia moments.
Thanks. I know there is a dedicated FM. I was waiting Shadow to answer.Maybe he is talking about something else ( I doubt).
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The loadout screen shows 21,200 lbs empty for the C B52+ with CFTs (compared to a C B52 at 19,500 lbs) and the fuel is increased accordingly.
The B52+ has avionics differences - the APG-68v9 is advertised with different radar modes (ERS & SAR) and it possibly has a colour moving map (?) like the A-10C
Sorry if I’m droping you a bit of current Fuel and FM Topic BUT do you know, if its possible to use a moving map in BMS? Or even possible to code it without much effort?
Would be really awesome [emoji144]
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I see a BK52+ CFT Modified for the Israel Theatre, there is no indication it represents a dedicated FM for the Greeks.
AngryBaker asked “if the HAF Block 52+ non CFT has a proper flight model in the normal Korea Theater?”
I have never seen a HAF Bk52+ in any of the Korea thearters, and my reply indicated this with the added comment that all F-16 have a AFM that give them “proper” flight characteristics.
However not every deviation of the F-16 is represented by a dedicated FM.
As your post “However the location of the CFT fuel is incorrect leading to a wrong meter reading when selecting FR/AL modes and somewhat wrong inertia moments.” so you prove my point.
So what is it with you guys, did you read the post in context or is it that English is not a native language, no wonder there is so much conflict over there.
Nit-picking over nothing. Was all this really necessary? Please take a few deep breaths. -
Thanks. I know there is a dedicated FM. I was waiting Shadow to answer.Maybe he is talking about something else ( I doubt).
So please point it out ?
Be informative not argumentative.
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go to C:\Falcon BMS 4.32\Data\Sim\ACDATA
Do you see these filles ?
f16bk52+.dat
f16bk52+_afm.dat
f16bk52+cft_afm.dat
f16bk52+cft.datIn the KTO, Create a TE
Are the HAF F16B52+ and CFT not in the Add aircraft list ?
Check also TC Ref and dogfight module
The HAF F16 Blk52+ / CFT dose have a dedicated DB entry and FM. There is no doubt. If you don’t see those file then I’m afraid your install porked. -
Wow
Do you think I’m blind ?There is nothing in those dat files to indicate that they are limited too or dedicated too HAF airframes.
The F16bk52+52cft.dat indicates it was Modified for Israel. That’s all I see.
And I’ll say one more time, read carefully.
Quote Originally Posted by Angrybaker
“On a related topic does anyone know if the HAF Block 52+ non CFT has a proper flight model in the normal Korea Theater?”
That was the question I responded to. And I replied that all F-16 have a AFM (or proper FM)
If you want to say that the F-16bk52+ FM were written as dedicated HAF F-16 say it, don’t beat around bush like you want to instigate/provoke an argument.
Man up and say it. Meanwhile I’ll go get some salt.
And a Good Day to You Sir
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What’s this mate shit,
The last time I looked there are no dedicated HAF flight models in the DB so if there are deployed variations in the HAF F-16 it is not modelled with a dedicated FM.Man up ? Pffffffffffffffff
A dedicated OFM FM files means that FM, radar,engine, cockpit, stations,weapons, sensors etc can be modified for that particular F16 variant without affecting the others.
If the data contained in these files is incorrect or share the same data from other PW229 F16’s, that dose not mean that the files are not dedicated to that F16 variant. -
Sorry if I’m droping you a bit of current Fuel and FM Topic BUT do you know, if its possible to use a moving map in BMS? Or even possible to code it without much effort?
Would be really awesome [emoji144]
But considering the resolution of MFDs, it would be unreadable … so … basicaly pointless on curent BMS state.
EDIT … and it would require a big effort anyway.
@Shadow …
Man up and say it.
No no.
Consider that you might (?) have been unclear or Leech didn’t understood very well what you’ve said … whatever … but keep that kind of remark for you (And it is not just an advice).
We thank you.