Countermeasures in F-16
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AFAIK ‘man’ mode refers to the way CMS programs are triggered. Manual triggers the chosen CMS-program when you e.g. cms forward.
I’m sure the Dash-1 explains it a lot better though
Regards,
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Hi! I see to be having problems manually dispensing flares and chaff? I have the controls for CMS set up too. What’s weird is that I can dispense them both at the same time with the knob in the far right position (which I’m guessing says “both”) but I am unable to dispense them separately when set to man. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!
Don’t bother with flare and chaffs they don’t work in this sim. Flares are mainly used for SA during Dogfights.
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That’s not true….
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Don’t bother with flare and chaffs they don’t work in this sim. Flares are mainly used for SA during Dogfights.
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@Red:
mwahhahahahahaha
that just made my dayYeah, mine too
And what about chaffs ? They are used to go into the enemy AC engine and damage it ? :mrgreen:
Oh, no, I know ! Scratching the enemy’s canopy so he cant see a thing !
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Well… once I can visually ID the missile tracking me behind, after deploying half of my chaffs. I use the rest of the chaffs to scratch it’s warhead while relying on my defensive maneuvers.:D
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First, deploying chaff without have a proper program for a specific threat is useless. Each program need to be done for a specific threat.
Second, the real use of chaff is not for missile, but most against radar. Example, agains’t a Mig-29A firing at me a AA10A, of course I will not chaff is missile, but I’ll chaff the radar of the Mig-29. Again, it need a specific program for that ;). -
First, deploying chaff without have a proper program for a specific threat is useless. Each program need to be done for a specific threat.
Second, the real use of chaff is not for missile, but most against radar. Example, agains’t a Mig-29A firing at me a AA10A, of course I will not chaff is missile, but I’ll chaff the radar of the Mig-29. Again, it need a specific program for that ;).100%
And even for IR missile, for some new gen missiles (like SA-18 or SA-24 equipped with ECCM) classic Flares decoys are almost totally inefficient.
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In addition to filter algorithms (i.e ignoring IR sources beneath the target, rendering down-firing dispensers useless), missiles’ seekers are now multi-spectrum (UV, optical…).
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…. multi-spectrum (UV, optical…).
“UV, optical” does not make any sense. UV is an optical frequency range like vis and NIR/MIR. By “optical”, perhaps did you mean visible?
Actually, most modern missiles use imaging detectors (e.g. AIM-9X and Python 5) like focal plane arrays, which are (UV/)NIR/MIR sensitive. AFAIK, there is no seeker sensitive to the visible spectral range until now (would be a Si-detector). What are your sources?
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UV is an optical frequency like vis and NIR/MIR.
Maybe he meant IR BandII. (?)
By “optical”, perhaps did you mean visible?
Shape.
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If some can build a smarter seeker, someone else or even the same team is working on the countermeasure.
Don’t forget its all EM radiation, from Heat seekers, TV imaging to Radar Detection. Just depends what part of the spectrum you want to use.
And if anyone was wondering. In no logical order.
Optical: “operating in or employing the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum” (wavelengths from about 390 to 700 nm)
UV: “400 nm to 10 nm, shorter than that of visible light but longer than X-rays.”
IR: is invisible radiant energy, electromagnetic radiation with longer wavelengths than those of visible light, extending from the nominal red edge of the visible spectrum at 700 nanometers to 1 mm
NIR: near-infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum(from about 800 nm to 2500 nm).
Radar: Common Bands From 3mm to 100m.
Its all Electro/Magnetic Radiation.
Even dark matter can be detected, unless its hidden.
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Even dark matter can be detected, unless its hidden.
I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome
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I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome
They would just hit all of the news stations… and maybe some talk radio…
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I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome
… + missile powered by dark energy.
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Optical: “operating in or employing the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum” (wavelengths from about 390 to 700 nm)390-700nm, definitely visible spectral range, not “optical range”. I can guarantee 100% to you.
Expanding on the topic: The problem is that today is not just more “only” about EM emission as it was in older generation missiles, which have a single detector or perhaps some kind of quadrant detector. Nowadays, the missile CPU gets from the focal plane array an image of your acft (even the cockpit), what makes almost impossible to defeat it. There is a video of Raphael somewhere in the internet showing how the seeker of a Python 5 goes for the cockpit (pilot!), not the engine anymore! The true first shot, first kill.
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That was not the video I meant, but helps to have an idea.
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390-700nm, definitely visible spectral range, not “optical range”. I can guarantee 100% to you.
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Optical is classically visible. Do you refer to sensors using the principles of “Optics, usually describes the behavior of visible, ultraviolet, and infrared light”
Come on that’s secondary education stuff, Don’t believe Me but how about the rest of the world.
And for the rest of the post, that’s image processing, it uses the principles of optics as well as being EM all at the same time.
But yes that does not negate that artificial optical sensors can work outside the classic visible spectrum.
It would help others if you explain or expand further in you post.
Is this implemented it 4.33 ?
In another post you state “AFAIK, there is no seeker sensitive to the visible spectral range until now” Doesn’t the early AGM-65s fall into the “visible spectral range”
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I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome
Falcon 4k vs StarFighter in 3-4 weeks For targeting Darkmatter drives
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Optical is classically visible. Do you refer to sensors using the principles of “Optics, usually describes the behavior of visible, ultraviolet, and infrared light”
Come on that’s secondary education stuff, Don’t believe Me but how about the rest of the world.
I don´t want to argue further on that, because it is really not important for this topic.
But I have been researching on time-resolved laser spectroscopy, quantum optics, nonlinear optics in the last 20 years of my life, and more recently also on THz-spectroscopy. So I can assure you that if you say “optical spectral range/frequencies”, that is not the same as “Visible spectral range/frequencies”.And for the rest of the post, that’s image processing, it uses the principles of optics as well as being EM all at the same time.
But yes that does not negate that artificial optical sensors can work outside the classic visible spectrum.
It would help others if you explain or expand further in you post.You are fully correct it is all about detection of EM waves and propagation, but there is one essential difference compared to old weapons systems. Computational power available today allows for combination of detection at several separated spectral ranges. The synergy of this overlapping of information was not available before, although the detection systems themselves were. In physics/physical chemistry, this is usually called multiplex/multispectral/Multimodal detection….
Traditional flares cannot cope anymore with AAM with this kind of technology. Modern AAM (non-radar guided) will be probably decoyed using lasers in the future. If you illuminate the CCD inside the seeker of a missile, the CCD can be saturated, and the missile will loose its lock. You don´t need a lot of power for that. Nowadays you have 10+Watts in a solid state laser in the size of a shoe box! So the problem is not the laser source, but how to find the missile and stabilize the laser. Several acft uses nowadays missile warning systems (e.g. take a look at page 6 of this PDF. F-16s of the Netherlands carry MWS as a pylon). It is just a question of time to improve the azimuth/elevation information of MWS pods to guide on board lasers against missile seekers. This will come.
In another post you state “AFAIK, there is no seeker sensitive to the visible spectral range until now” Doesn’t the early AGM-65s fall into the “visible spectral range”
Or even early Laser guided weapons ?I was refering to AAM.