POH theater - NavAids and nav. charts

[neystratiou]

Hi there Gents.
Well i’m very pleased to announce that with my friend and partner Michael “NIL” we are very close to finish the NavAids and their list for the nice theater of POH, in order to help our friend Joe and the rest team in this AWESOME work in it!
So take a preview of the upcoming NavAids list:

Michael and me are working a lot of time already and now we are “on finals” :p.
I personally want to thank Michael “NIL” for his hard efforts, as also ALL the rest devs that putting a lot of personal time in order to offer to this GREAT theater by Joe.
So Thank you very much Joe, Dave “demer928”, Arek “Eghi” and of course the rest guys that i don’t know their name! My respect to ALL of you!
Let’s keep it there guys, we are “on Loc” now…!
Nikos.

[Joe Labrada]

A truly exceptional work. Thanks, friends, for your effort and help to make this project a reality.

[CAG]

You are the man my dear friend!!! :drink: Looking forward to this :munch:

[Drakko]

Thank you brothers!! both of you are my heroes!!

[NIL]

@Joe:

A truly exceptional work. Thanks, friends, for your effort and help to make this project a reality.

I’m proud to be a part of this project Joe. This is going to be a great theater to fly in…

Greetings

[Tom Raisen]

You are the best guys! thank you so much for “take care” of “our” spain theater and help Joe on it… Really thanks…

[pina]

Hello, as requested by Joe, im also posting this here, taken from portuguese AIP, I guess the same info is available on the spanish one. Morocco and Algeria might be a bit harder to get but I’ll try

ARRABIDA DME

DME

ARR

CH20X

H24

382934N

0085744W

1200FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage: 150NM FL100
Not usable:
120DEG / 190DEG
245DEG / 260DEG

ARRUDA

NDB

LAR

382 KHZ

H24

385940N

0090225W

NIL /
Coverage:
50NM

BEJA

TACAN

BEJ

CH 105X

H24

380742N

0075536W

700FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300not usable
BTN R265 and R275 all levels

CAPARICA

NDB

CP

389 KHZ

H24

383832N

0091317W

FRA: Departure /
Coverage:
180NM
Bearing Errors of up to Plus/Minus 10 degrees in sectors R314-316 and R115-117

CASCAIS

DVOR/DME

CAS

114.30MHZ
CH 90X

H24

384454N

0092143W

700FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage: 60NMDVOR Sectors not usable:030º/060º byd 20NM blw FL100290º/350º byd 10NM blw FL100

ESPICHEL

DVORTAC

ESP

112.50MHZ

CH 72X

H24

382527N

0091109W

600FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
203º/315º - 200NM FL500
315º/203º - 80NM FL500
Not usable:
060º/080º blw 4000FT byd 10NM

FARO

DVOR

VFA

112.80MHZ

H24

370049N

0075830W

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500 Not Usable:
340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

FARO

DME

VFA

CH 75X

H24

370049N

0075830W

100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:
340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

FATIMA

DVOR

FTM

113.50MHZ

H24

393956N

0082934W

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
60NM FL500
Not usable:
210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

FATIMA

DME

FTM

CH 82X

H24

393958N

0082936W

700FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
60NM FL500
Not usable:
210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

FLORES

DVOR

(14ºW)

FRS

113.30MHZ

H24

392713N

0311238W

NIL /
Coverage:
250NM FL300
Not usable:
325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

FLORES

DME

(14ºW)

FRS

CH80X

H24

392713N

0311238W

2800FT

NIL /
Coverage:

250NM FL300

Not usable:

325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

FUNCHAL

DVOR

FUN

112.20 MHZ

H24

324450N

0164220W

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

FUNCHAL

NDB

MAD

318KHZ

H24

324453N

0164223W

NIL /
Coverage:
50NM
Not usable:
260º / 290º blw 7000FT

FUNCHAL

DME

FUN

CH59X

H24

324449N

0164220W

500FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

GRACIOSA

L

GC

428KHZ

H24

390538N

028 01 51W

NIL /
Coverage:
25NM

HORTA

DVORTAC

VFL

112.70MHZ
CH 74X

H24

383110N

0283725W

500FT

NIL /
Coverage:
240NM - FL600 DVOR:
Not usable:
010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
080º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
Not usable below 5000FT
TACAN:
Not usable:
010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
045º/080º byd 30NM blw 5000FT
080º/100º byd 28NM blw 5500FT
100º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
140º/150º byd 40NM blw 3000FT
280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

HORTA

NDB

FIL

380 KHZ

H24

383121N

0284109W

NIL /
Coverage:
250NM

LAJES

VOR

LM

112.30MHZ

H24

384702N

0270616W

NIL /
Coverage:
100NM
Not usable:
R215/R240 byd 35NM blw 9000FT R241/R275 byd 20NM at all altitudes.
Maintenance:
WED 08:00-12:00.

LAJES

TACAN

LAJ

CH 45X

H24

384248N

0270656W

1800FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300
Not usable:
270º/315º within 40NM blw 7000FT
Maintenance:
MON 09:00-12:00.

LISBOA

DVOR/DME

LIS

114.80MHZ
CH 95X

H24

385316N

0090946W

1100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
80NM FL500

MONTARGIL

DME

DMT

CH 45X

H24

390438N

0081115W

800FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
115NM / FL080

MONTIJO

TACAN

MOJ

CH37X

H24

384232N

0090200W

100FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300
Unusable:
R290 / R310 BLW 4000FT BYD 15NM

MONTE REAL

TACAN

MTR

CH33X

H24

394957N

0085325W

300FT

NIL /
Coverage:
150NM / FL300

NISA

DVORTAC

NSA

115.50MHZ
CH102X

H24

393353N

0075453W

1300FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:000º/180º - 60NM FL500181º/359º - 200NM FL 500
DVOR:
Not usable:310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FTExcessive errors may be observed in the sectors 117º-184º and 300º-030º
TACAN:
Not usable:200º/210º byd 30NM blw 4000FT310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FT

PONTA DELGADA

DVORTAC

VMG

114.50MHZ
CH 92X

H24

375046N

0254529W

2800FT

NIL /
DVOR:

Not usable:

090º/120º byd 30NM blw 8000FT

TACAN:

Not usable:

170º/190ºbyd 40NM blw 6000FT

PORTO

DVOR/DME

PRT

114.10MHZ
CH 88X

H24

411623N

0084116W

200FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
225º/315º - 200NM FL500
315º/225º - 80NM FL500
Not usable:
340º/360º byd 35NM

PORTO

NDB

POR

327 KHZ

H24

412053N

0084229W

NIL /
Coverage:
200NM
Not usable:
100º/130º byd 40NM blw 9000FT

PORTO SANTO

DVOR

SNT

114.90MHZ

H24

330525N

0162102W

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure / Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:
070º/170º195º/250º byd 10NM below 9000FT

PORTO SANTO

DME

SNT

CH 96X

H24

330525N

0162101W

400FT

FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
Coverage:
200NM FL 500
Not usable:
070º / 170º
195º / 250º byd 10nm blw 9000FT

PORTO SANTO

NDB

PST

338 KHZ

H24

330407N

0162130W

NIL /
Coverage:

250NM FL500

SAGRES

DVOR

SGR

113.90MHZ

H24

370502N

0085647W

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
250NM FL500

SAGRES

DME

SGR

CH 86X

H24

370502N

0085647W

500FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
250NM FL500

SANTA MARIA

VOR/DME

(11ºW)

VSM

112.00MHZ
CH 57X

H24

365746N

0250959W

300FT

NIL /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable
065º/130º byd 20NM blw 6000FT

SINTRA

VORTAC

SRA

112.10MHZCH 58X

H24

384945N

0092024W

400FT

NIL /
Coverage:

200NM FL500

Not usable

090º/110º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

220º/260º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

300º/330º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

Maintenance:

Every first working day of the month.

VISEU

DVOR/DME

VIS

113.10MHZ
CH 78X

H24

404324N

0075309W

2100FT

FRA: Intermediate /
Coverage:
200NM FL500
Not usable:130º/180º blw 9000FT byd 40NM180º/315º blw 6000FT byd 40NM315º/130º blw 8000FT byd 40NM

[Joe Labrada]

Thank you very much for your contribution. One question: What is the source?

[mrwell]

AIP: Air Information Publication

[neystratiou]

@mrwell:

AIP: Air Information Publication

Almost correct.
AIP stands for Aeronautical Information Publication.
Nikos.

[mrwell]

Lol, I’ve been using it in RL for decades but I didn’t remember that lol

[neystratiou]

Hi guys, time for briefing.
Well Michael “NIL” and me have some serious progress in the NavAids of POH theater.
So the file “stations+ils.dat” created and made some corrections to the current data of the pdf list.
Below you can see a preview of the 2nd page of the totally 4:

All the developers of POH theater already have the latest version of NavAids with their list in order to test them.
The last steps are to fill the cells of RWY elevation, of the GPS coordinates and to depend the airports with no TACAN station to the nearest airport that has a TACAN station ;).
We are very near to the end.
Of course any change that will affect any airport will be included in the NavAids list in order to be fully conformal with the theater.
Nikos.

[Joe Labrada]

Thank you for your effort. I feel very fortunate to have your support.

[neystratiou]

@Joe:

Thank you for your effort. I feel very fortunate to have your support.

Thank you very much my good friend Joe.
I feel very nice to work side to you and the rest great guys/developers :p.
Thank you and the rest guys also for your hard efforts in order to offer to us this awesome theater.
Your friend and partner Nikos.

[Nuno Santos]

Hello, gents!

On behalf of the 201st VFS, I would like to thank everyone involved in this great project, especially Joe Labrada, for their hard work and commitment, in order to bring us this amazing theater.

Regarding the NavAids list posted by Nikos and NIL, to whom we also are very grateful for the great work and dedication - thank you very much, gents! - some elements of our VFS have just pinpointed some innacuracies on the list concerning Portugal airbases’ stations / ILS data.

For this matter, and if you guys don’t mind, we would like to assist you in whatever we can, namelly in providing some corrections / additional info towards the completion of the NavAids list.

We will provide you with all the info we can come up with as soon as possible, if that’s ok with you guys.

Once again, thank you very much for this project!

[neystratiou]

At friend “Nuno Santos” and anyone that cares about POH theater:

First of all Thank you for your kindly words as also for your nice offer to tell us about any possible inaccuracies.
Now please let me inform you and all about some limitations of Falcon BMS 4.32 that force away anyone who create similar stuff from the perfection:

1. About TACAN channels:
   VISEU airport in Portugal has a VOR/DME (ID VIS) with channel 078X in real world.
   But also Armilla in Spain has a TACAN (ID TGR) and In Salah in Algeria has a VOR/DME (ID NSL), both with channel 078X.
   In Falcon BMS 4.32 we can have only one TACAN at a specific channel in order to be working. That means that we must change all the other channels with the same number of TACAN channel to the nearest free one.
   In order to select the one airport that will keep the real channel, this is my order:
   First the one that has a TACAN station, then a VORTAC station and last a VOR/DME station. If we have 2 or more with the same NavAid, then I look which one has a military wing or that is more important airport.
   That’s why you see VISEU airport with channel 061X instead of the real 078X, as also Porto airport that has a VOR/DME (ID PRT) with 067X instead of the real 088X (088X keep the airport Almeria in Spain that has a VOR/DME [ID AMR]).

2. About ATC UHF/VHF frequencies:
   A lot of airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency as in real life. But when 2 or more airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency and they are very near, there is a big possibility to we have a wrong guidance , means to we guided to a wrong airport and not to the desired one.
   Just take a good look at my next example of airports Tourisme (Kenitra the correct name) and Sidi Slimane in Morocco.
   

They both have a VHF frequency of 124.50. If I have left the same frequency, then as you see if anyone that was approaching the airport Tourisme and been at positions 2, 3 or 4 or at any position just right of the vertical green line that is over the middle of the distance of the 2 airports (28.2 NM), then he just should guided to airport Sidi Slimane and not to the desired Tourisme. Think this event at night.
So in order to eliminate all these possibilities, I always find the same frequencies and then keep only one and change the others at the nearest free frequency.
In this way, Sidi Slimane keeps the real VHF of 124.50 and Tourisme has the new (non real) 124.55 but very near to the real one.

3. About ILS frequencies:
   At airports that have 2 parallel runways, you may see that a specific ILS frequency is not at the nearest RWY but at the other one end of the same runway.
   E.g. at an airport 05/23 L/R you may see the RWY 23L to have an ILS frequency when it should has the RWY 23R the specific ILS frequency as the nearest RWY to the real world.
   This happens due to the fact that airports with 2 parallel runways have the small RWY with length of 1 NM (like exactly is the length of the airstrips), which means that the landing will be a little difficult. In real world you will see very-very rare to have a so small runway an ILS, so I always move the ILS to the other RWY with the same nearest heading that has a proper length, means to the nearest RWY with the larger length.

So now i think that is a little more clear the status with the data of NavAids for Falcon BMS.
The only thing that you can for sure do is this: If you find any ILS frequency wrong or that some airport has (or has not) in real world an ILS but not (has) at our list, then just inform us.
Again thank you for your support ;).
With my best regards,
Nikos.

[Nuno Santos]

Well, I have to thank you once again for your very clear explanation!

Things make more sense now, since you pinpointed some of the code’s limitations, which I personally wasn’t aware of.

Once again, my friends, I / we thank you for what you are doing for this theater and this great sim.

Best regards and looking forward to get my hands on this precious;)

[Joe Labrada]

Impressive work!!!

[flyway]

Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:

It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue.

[Joe Labrada]

@flyway:

Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:

It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue.

Flyway, right now we are working very hard to finish this work.
They are continually making corrections.

Read my last MP, please, in the Escuadrón111. These corrections have already been evaluated in detail off this forum, internally. And we continue to work.
A little patience. Let’s work to our friends. I am in close contact with Nikos and Nil to get the best result, more realistic and compatible with Falcon.

I have full confidence in their work.