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    • neystratiou
      neystratiou last edited by

      Hi there Gents.
      Well i’m very pleased to announce that with my friend and partner Michael “NIL” we are very close to finish the NavAids and their list for the nice theater of POH, in order to help our friend Joe and the rest team in this AWESOME work in it!
      So take a preview of the upcoming NavAids list:

      Michael and me are working a lot of time already and now we are “on finals” :p.
      I personally want to thank Michael “NIL” for his hard efforts, as also ALL the rest devs that putting a lot of personal time in order to offer to this GREAT theater by Joe.
      So Thank you very much Joe, Dave “demer928”, Arek “Eghi” and of course the rest guys that i don’t know their name! My respect to ALL of you!
      Let’s keep it there guys, we are “on Loc” now…!
      Nikos.

      [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jSSsZ63z/Sig-Nav-Aids.jpg[/img]

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      • Joe Labrada
        Joe Labrada last edited by

        A truly exceptional work. Thanks, friends, for your effort and help to make this project a reality. 🙇

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        • CAG
          CAG last edited by

          You are the man my dear friend!!! :drink: Looking forward to this :munch:

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          • Drakko
            Drakko @CAG last edited by

            Thank you brothers!! both of you are my heroes!!

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            • NIL
              NIL @Joe Labrada last edited by

              @Joe:

              A truly exceptional work. Thanks, friends, for your effort and help to make this project a reality. 🙇

              I’m proud to be a part of this project Joe. This is going to be a great theater to fly in…

              Greetings

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              • Tom Raisen
                Tom Raisen @NIL last edited by

                You are the best guys! thank you so much for “take care” of “our” spain theater and help Joe on it… Really thanks…

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                • pina
                  pina @Tom Raisen last edited by

                  Hello, as requested by Joe, im also posting this here, taken from portuguese AIP, I guess the same info is available on the spanish one. Morocco and Algeria might be a bit harder to get but I’ll try

                  ARRABIDA DME

                  DME

                  ARR

                  CH20X

                  H24

                  382934N

                  0085744W

                  1200FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage: 150NM FL100
                  Not usable:
                  120DEG / 190DEG
                  245DEG / 260DEG

                  ARRUDA

                  NDB

                  LAR

                  382 KHZ

                  H24

                  385940N

                  0090225W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  50NM

                  BEJA

                  TACAN

                  BEJ

                  CH 105X

                  H24

                  380742N

                  0075536W

                  700FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  150NM / FL300not usable
                  BTN R265 and R275 all levels

                  CAPARICA

                  NDB

                  CP

                  389 KHZ

                  H24

                  383832N

                  0091317W

                  FRA: Departure /
                  Coverage:
                  180NM
                  Bearing Errors of up to Plus/Minus 10 degrees in sectors R314-316 and R115-117

                  CASCAIS

                  DVOR/DME

                  CAS

                  114.30MHZ
                  CH 90X

                  H24

                  384454N

                  0092143W

                  700FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage: 60NMDVOR Sectors not usable:030º/060º byd 20NM blw FL100290º/350º byd 10NM blw FL100

                  ESPICHEL

                  DVORTAC

                  ESP

                  112.50MHZ

                  CH 72X

                  H24

                  382527N

                  0091109W

                  600FT

                  FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
                  Coverage:
                  203º/315º - 200NM FL500
                  315º/203º - 80NM FL500
                  Not usable:
                  060º/080º blw 4000FT byd 10NM

                  FARO

                  DVOR

                  VFA

                  112.80MHZ

                  H24

                  370049N

                  0075830W

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL500 Not Usable:
                  340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

                  FARO

                  DME

                  VFA

                  CH 75X

                  H24

                  370049N

                  0075830W

                  100FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL500
                  Not usable:
                  340º/060º blw 4000FT byd 40NM

                  FATIMA

                  DVOR

                  FTM

                  113.50MHZ

                  H24

                  393956N

                  0082934W

                  FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
                  Coverage:
                  60NM FL500
                  Not usable:
                  210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
                  210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
                  210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

                  FATIMA

                  DME

                  FTM

                  CH 82X

                  H24

                  393958N

                  0082936W

                  700FT

                  FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
                  Coverage:
                  60NM FL500
                  Not usable:
                  210º/230ºbyd 35NM blw 4000FT AMSL
                  210º/230ºbyd 40NM blw 5000FT AMSL
                  210º/230ºbyd 47NM blw 6000FT AMSL

                  FLORES

                  DVOR

                  (14ºW)

                  FRS

                  113.30MHZ

                  H24

                  392713N

                  0311238W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  250NM FL300
                  Not usable:
                  325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

                  FLORES

                  DME

                  (14ºW)

                  FRS

                  CH80X

                  H24

                  392713N

                  0311238W

                  2800FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:

                  250NM FL300

                  Not usable:

                  325º/345º blw 16000FT byd 40NM

                  FUNCHAL

                  DVOR

                  FUN

                  112.20 MHZ

                  H24

                  324450N

                  0164220W

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL500
                  Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

                  FUNCHAL

                  NDB

                  MAD

                  318KHZ

                  H24

                  324453N

                  0164223W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  50NM
                  Not usable:
                  260º / 290º blw 7000FT

                  FUNCHAL

                  DME

                  FUN

                  CH59X

                  H24

                  324449N

                  0164220W

                  500FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:240º/310º byd 20NM blw 9000FT

                  GRACIOSA

                  L

                  GC

                  428KHZ

                  H24

                  390538N

                  028 01 51W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  25NM

                  HORTA

                  DVORTAC

                  VFL

                  112.70MHZ
                  CH 74X

                  H24

                  383110N

                  0283725W

                  500FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  240NM - FL600 DVOR:
                  Not usable:
                  010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
                  080º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
                  280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
                  Not usable below 5000FT
                  TACAN:
                  Not usable:
                  010º/020º byd 10NM blw 10000FT
                  045º/080º byd 30NM blw 5000FT
                  080º/100º byd 28NM blw 5500FT
                  100º/140º byd 15NM blw 10000FT
                  140º/150º byd 40NM blw 3000FT
                  280º/010º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

                  HORTA

                  NDB

                  FIL

                  380 KHZ

                  H24

                  383121N

                  0284109W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  250NM

                  LAJES

                  VOR

                  LM

                  112.30MHZ

                  H24

                  384702N

                  0270616W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  100NM
                  Not usable:
                  R215/R240 byd 35NM blw 9000FT R241/R275 byd 20NM at all altitudes.
                  Maintenance:
                  WED 08:00-12:00.

                  LAJES

                  TACAN

                  LAJ

                  CH 45X

                  H24

                  384248N

                  0270656W

                  1800FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  150NM / FL300
                  Not usable:
                  270º/315º within 40NM blw 7000FT
                  Maintenance:
                  MON 09:00-12:00.

                  LISBOA

                  DVOR/DME

                  LIS

                  114.80MHZ
                  CH 95X

                  H24

                  385316N

                  0090946W

                  1100FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  80NM FL500

                  MONTARGIL

                  DME

                  DMT

                  CH 45X

                  H24

                  390438N

                  0081115W

                  800FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  115NM / FL080

                  MONTIJO

                  TACAN

                  MOJ

                  CH37X

                  H24

                  384232N

                  0090200W

                  100FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  150NM / FL300
                  Unusable:
                  R290 / R310 BLW 4000FT BYD 15NM

                  MONTE REAL

                  TACAN

                  MTR

                  CH33X

                  H24

                  394957N

                  0085325W

                  300FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  150NM / FL300

                  NISA

                  DVORTAC

                  NSA

                  115.50MHZ
                  CH102X

                  H24

                  393353N

                  0075453W

                  1300FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:000º/180º - 60NM FL500181º/359º - 200NM FL 500
                  DVOR:
                  Not usable:310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FTExcessive errors may be observed in the sectors 117º-184º and 300º-030º
                  TACAN:
                  Not usable:200º/210º byd 30NM blw 4000FT310º/340º byd 20NM blw 7000FT

                  PONTA DELGADA

                  DVORTAC

                  VMG

                  114.50MHZ
                  CH 92X

                  H24

                  375046N

                  0254529W

                  2800FT

                  NIL /
                  DVOR:

                  Not usable:

                  090º/120º byd 30NM blw 8000FT

                  TACAN:

                  Not usable:

                  170º/190ºbyd 40NM blw 6000FT

                  PORTO

                  DVOR/DME

                  PRT

                  114.10MHZ
                  CH 88X

                  H24

                  411623N

                  0084116W

                  200FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  225º/315º - 200NM FL500
                  315º/225º - 80NM FL500
                  Not usable:
                  340º/360º byd 35NM

                  PORTO

                  NDB

                  POR

                  327 KHZ

                  H24

                  412053N

                  0084229W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM
                  Not usable:
                  100º/130º byd 40NM blw 9000FT

                  PORTO SANTO

                  DVOR

                  SNT

                  114.90MHZ

                  H24

                  330525N

                  0162102W

                  FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure / Coverage:200NM FL500Not usable:
                  070º/170º195º/250º byd 10NM below 9000FT

                  PORTO SANTO

                  DME

                  SNT

                  CH 96X

                  H24

                  330525N

                  0162101W

                  400FT

                  FRA: Intermediate; Arrival; Departure /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL 500
                  Not usable:
                  070º / 170º
                  195º / 250º byd 10nm blw 9000FT

                  PORTO SANTO

                  NDB

                  PST

                  338 KHZ

                  H24

                  330407N

                  0162130W

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:

                  250NM FL500

                  SAGRES

                  DVOR

                  SGR

                  113.90MHZ

                  H24

                  370502N

                  0085647W

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  250NM FL500

                  SAGRES

                  DME

                  SGR

                  CH 86X

                  H24

                  370502N

                  0085647W

                  500FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  250NM FL500

                  SANTA MARIA

                  VOR/DME

                  (11ºW)

                  VSM

                  112.00MHZ
                  CH 57X

                  H24

                  365746N

                  0250959W

                  300FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL500
                  Not usable
                  065º/130º byd 20NM blw 6000FT

                  SINTRA

                  VORTAC

                  SRA

                  112.10MHZCH 58X

                  H24

                  384945N

                  0092024W

                  400FT

                  NIL /
                  Coverage:

                  200NM FL500

                  Not usable

                  090º/110º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

                  220º/260º byd 10NM blw 10000FT

                  300º/330º byd 15NM blw 6000FT

                  Maintenance:

                  Every first working day of the month.

                  VISEU

                  DVOR/DME

                  VIS

                  113.10MHZ
                  CH 78X

                  H24

                  404324N

                  0075309W

                  2100FT

                  FRA: Intermediate /
                  Coverage:
                  200NM FL500
                  Not usable:130º/180º blw 9000FT byd 40NM180º/315º blw 6000FT byd 40NM315º/130º blw 8000FT byd 40NM

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                  • Joe Labrada
                    Joe Labrada @pina last edited by

                    Thank you very much for your contribution. One question: What is the source?

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                    • mrwell
                      mrwell last edited by

                      AIP: Air Information Publication

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                      • neystratiou
                        neystratiou @mrwell last edited by

                        @mrwell:

                        AIP: Air Information Publication

                        Almost correct.
                        AIP stands for Aeronautical Information Publication.
                        Nikos.

                        [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jSSsZ63z/Sig-Nav-Aids.jpg[/img]

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                        • mrwell
                          mrwell last edited by

                          Lol, I’ve been using it in RL for decades but I didn’t remember that lol

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                          • neystratiou
                            neystratiou @mrwell last edited by

                            Hi guys, time for briefing.
                            Well Michael “NIL” and me have some serious progress in the NavAids of POH theater.
                            So the file “stations+ils.dat” created and made some corrections to the current data of the pdf list.
                            Below you can see a preview of the 2nd page of the totally 4:

                            All the developers of POH theater already have the latest version of NavAids with their list in order to test them.
                            The last steps are to fill the cells of RWY elevation, of the GPS coordinates and to depend the airports with no TACAN station to the nearest airport that has a TACAN station ;).
                            We are very near to the end.
                            Of course any change that will affect any airport will be included in the NavAids list in order to be fully conformal with the theater.
                            Nikos.

                            [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jSSsZ63z/Sig-Nav-Aids.jpg[/img]

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                            • Joe Labrada
                              Joe Labrada @neystratiou last edited by

                              Thank you for your effort. I feel very fortunate to have your support. 😄

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                              • neystratiou
                                neystratiou @Joe Labrada last edited by

                                @Joe:

                                Thank you for your effort. I feel very fortunate to have your support. 😄

                                Thank you very much my good friend Joe.
                                I feel very nice to work side to you and the rest great guys/developers :p.
                                Thank you and the rest guys also for your hard efforts in order to offer to us this awesome theater.
                                Your friend and partner Nikos.

                                [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jSSsZ63z/Sig-Nav-Aids.jpg[/img]

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                                • Nuno Santos
                                  Nuno Santos @neystratiou last edited by

                                  Hello, gents!

                                  On behalf of the 201st VFS, I would like to thank everyone involved in this great project, especially Joe Labrada, for their hard work and commitment, in order to bring us this amazing theater.

                                  Regarding the NavAids list posted by Nikos and NIL, to whom we also are very grateful for the great work and dedication - thank you very much, gents! 😄 - some elements of our VFS have just pinpointed some innacuracies on the list concerning Portugal airbases’ stations / ILS data.

                                  For this matter, and if you guys don’t mind, we would like to assist you in whatever we can, namelly in providing some corrections / additional info towards the completion of the NavAids list.

                                  We will provide you with all the info we can come up with as soon as possible, if that’s ok with you guys.

                                  Once again, thank you very much for this project!

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                                  • neystratiou
                                    neystratiou @Nuno Santos last edited by

                                    At friend “Nuno Santos” and anyone that cares about POH theater:

                                    First of all Thank you for your kindly words as also for your nice offer to tell us about any possible inaccuracies.
                                    Now please let me inform you and all about some limitations of Falcon BMS 4.32 that force away anyone who create similar stuff from the perfection:

                                    1. About TACAN channels:
                                      VISEU airport in Portugal has a VOR/DME (ID VIS) with channel 078X in real world.
                                      But also Armilla in Spain has a TACAN (ID TGR) and In Salah in Algeria has a VOR/DME (ID NSL), both with channel 078X.
                                      In Falcon BMS 4.32 we can have only one TACAN at a specific channel in order to be working. That means that we must change all the other channels with the same number of TACAN channel to the nearest free one.
                                      In order to select the one airport that will keep the real channel, this is my order:
                                      First the one that has a TACAN station, then a VORTAC station and last a VOR/DME station. If we have 2 or more with the same NavAid, then I look which one has a military wing or that is more important airport.
                                      That’s why you see VISEU airport with channel 061X instead of the real 078X, as also Porto airport that has a VOR/DME (ID PRT) with 067X instead of the real 088X (088X keep the airport Almeria in Spain that has a VOR/DME [ID AMR]).

                                    2. About ATC UHF/VHF frequencies:
                                      A lot of airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency as in real life. But when 2 or more airports share the same UHF or VHF ATC frequency and they are very near, there is a big possibility to we have a wrong guidance , means to we guided to a wrong airport and not to the desired one.
                                      Just take a good look at my next example of airports Tourisme (Kenitra the correct name) and Sidi Slimane in Morocco.

                                    They both have a VHF frequency of 124.50. If I have left the same frequency, then as you see if anyone that was approaching the airport Tourisme and been at positions 2, 3 or 4 or at any position just right of the vertical green line that is over the middle of the distance of the 2 airports (28.2 NM), then he just should guided to airport Sidi Slimane and not to the desired Tourisme. Think this event at night.
                                    So in order to eliminate all these possibilities, I always find the same frequencies and then keep only one and change the others at the nearest free frequency.
                                    In this way, Sidi Slimane keeps the real VHF of 124.50 and Tourisme has the new (non real) 124.55 but very near to the real one.

                                    1. About ILS frequencies:
                                      At airports that have 2 parallel runways, you may see that a specific ILS frequency is not at the nearest RWY but at the other one end of the same runway.
                                      E.g. at an airport 05/23 L/R you may see the RWY 23L to have an ILS frequency when it should has the RWY 23R the specific ILS frequency as the nearest RWY to the real world.
                                      This happens due to the fact that airports with 2 parallel runways have the small RWY with length of 1 NM (like exactly is the length of the airstrips), which means that the landing will be a little difficult. In real world you will see very-very rare to have a so small runway an ILS, so I always move the ILS to the other RWY with the same nearest heading that has a proper length, means to the nearest RWY with the larger length.

                                    So now i think that is a little more clear the status with the data of NavAids for Falcon BMS.
                                    The only thing that you can for sure do is this: If you find any ILS frequency wrong or that some airport has (or has not) in real world an ILS but not (has) at our list, then just inform us.
                                    Again thank you for your support ;).
                                    With my best regards,
                                    Nikos.

                                    [img]https://i.postimg.cc/jSSsZ63z/Sig-Nav-Aids.jpg[/img]

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                                    • Nuno Santos
                                      Nuno Santos @neystratiou last edited by

                                      Well, I have to thank you once again for your very clear explanation!

                                      Things make more sense now, since you pinpointed some of the code’s limitations, which I personally wasn’t aware of.

                                      Once again, my friends, I / we thank you for what you are doing for this theater and this great sim.

                                      Best regards and looking forward to get my hands on this precious;)

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                                      • Joe Labrada
                                        Joe Labrada @Nuno Santos last edited by

                                        Impressive work!!!

                                        🙇🙇🙇

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                                        • flyway
                                          flyway @Joe Labrada last edited by

                                          Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:

                                          It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
                                          Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
                                          About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
                                          VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
                                          All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
                                          RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue.

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                                          • Joe Labrada
                                            Joe Labrada @flyway last edited by

                                            @flyway:

                                            Here’s what Nuno Santos was referring to:

                                            It was missing FUNCHAL, LAJES, PONTA DELGADA and PORTO SANTO.
                                            Have kept and insist on PORTO TCN channel, since this is my country’s second important city after capital (LISBON).
                                            About LAJES, it’s conflicting TCN channel/ TWR UHF/VHF. Here couldn’t find any realistic freq not already used. Am insisting on this (also) due to the fact this is a very important and operational NATO airbase.
                                            VISEU can be viewed as an airstrip in falcon and so have considered it has without any nav aids.
                                            All other Comms Freqs where reviewed for non conflicting ones and keeping them realistic.
                                            RWY Headings were corrected (only in the spread sheet) to Falcon ones most closer to real ones, although this is a textures/ objects placing issue.

                                            Flyway, right now we are working very hard to finish this work.
                                            They are continually making corrections.

                                            Read my last MP, please, in the Escuadrón111. These corrections have already been evaluated in detail off this forum, internally. And we continue to work.
                                            A little patience. Let’s work to our friends. I am in close contact with Nikos and Nil to get the best result, more realistic and compatible with Falcon.

                                            I have full confidence in their work.

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