For anyone who plays..
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I guess it doesn’t matter if you use Windows 7 or 8.1, I use both for Falcon and they seem to play differently.
I know there are different versions of Falcon BMS although they are all “the same”.
I’m not children of a lesser god but of the least or the last god, a ghost it seems.
I get the last or the least stuff somehow and I guess it’s planet earth, not paradise.
It’s not particularry funny to seem alone on an automated planet with no one around…But for those of you who still play just like me I have some realistic commentary on the subject.
I suppose F-16 Falcon is in the museum by now with that hyperworld around in the future.
But ain’t the rudder operation in the air useless while it doesn’t yaw or jaw, sus?
Also in the past they used the plane as an airbrake after touchdown till the nose dropped down when there was no lift or drag anymore.
That isn’t implemented either anymore in Falcon BMS, it was in Falcon 4.0Who’s livin in the past, present or future when there is no time?
Time for a patch… -
@Faman:
…. Also in the past they used the plane as an airbrake after touchdown till the nose dropped down when there was no lift or drag anymore.
That isn’t implemented either anymore in Falcon BMS, it was in Falcon 4.0…
Totally implemented …. If it’s not working for you, you’re doing it wrong.
@Faman:
……Time for a patch…
After what I just tried to read, Time for a drink.
:drink:
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@Faman:
I guess it doesn’t matter if you use Windows 7 or 8.1, I use both for Falcon and they seem to play differently.
I know there are different versions of Falcon BMS although they are all “the same”.
I’m not children of a lesser god but of the least or the last god, a ghost it seems.
I get the last or the least stuff somehow and I guess it’s planet earth, not paradise.
It’s not particularry funny to seem alone on an automated planet with no one around…But for those of you who still play just like me I have some realistic commentary on the subject.
I suppose F-16 Falcon is in the museum by now with that hyperworld around in the future.
But ain’t the rudder operation in the air useless while it doesn’t yaw or jaw, sus?
Also in the past they used the plane as an airbrake after touchdown till the nose dropped down when there was no lift or drag anymore.
That isn’t implemented either anymore in Falcon BMS, it was in Falcon 4.0Who’s livin in the past, present or future when there is no time?
Time for a patch…You started a thread about aerobraking before back in November. Most everyone has tried to explain that the aerobraking is still there and that you must be doing something wrong. When your about 2 to 3 miles out and lined up on approach to the runway, what is your speed? What is you ROD (rate of decent)? Those things are very important to begin with. I am usually at 13* AOA, @ 3* ROD or 100ft per, jet is level but descending @ 130kts (and decelerating slowly). I set this up early. Then, just gently fly the glidescope all the way in. Touch down @ around 120kts +/- 10 and chop throttle. You will then see the nose gently drop to the ground @ around 85+knts. Apply speed brakes and there you go. Simple.
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I think the confusion xomes from the fact that yawing and aerobraking in previous falcon versions were completely unrealistic and badly implemented
Falcon BMS has implemented correctly both subjects amongst many.
As said previously aerobraking is correctly implemented which means is totally unefficient below 13 deg AOA.
You MUST maintain 13deg AOA during aerobraking to actually brake
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Like mav said… you are probably trying to brake at 10 degrees AoA. Good luck with that…~
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Like mav said… you are probably trying to brake at 10 degrees AoA. Good luck with that…~
I have been (embarrassingly) doing this for quite some time wondering why it wasn’t working. I can affirm that nothing happens at 10 Degrees. I will try 13 now that I know better.
Now I have been using liberal, gentle, and sporadic applied pressure of the breaks to slow down and amazingly have managed not to glow a tile. I am also setting down at about 160, which is apparently to fast, and about 1/10 approaches I overshoot the runway. So…all of this should help. Glad he asked.
But yeah, the Falcon Flight Model is different then Falcon AF. I never flew the original 4.0 but I did fly AF and they are different, and it does take an adjustment to get to the same handling capabilities in the new aircraft.
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I have been (embarrassingly) doing this for quite some time wondering why it wasn’t working. I can affirm that nothing happens at 10 Degrees. I will try 13 now that I know better.
Now I have been using liberal, gentle, and sporadic applied pressure of the breaks to slow down and amazingly have managed not to glow a tile. I am also setting down at about 160, which is apparently to fast, and about 1/10 approaches I overshoot the runway. So…all of this should help. Glad he asked.
But yeah, the Falcon Flight Model is different then Falcon AF. I never flew the original 4.0 but I did fly AF and they are different, and it does take an adjustment to get to the same handling capabilities in the new aircraft.
Well, BMS’ flight model is probably (if not the) one of the crowning achievements of the sim. Worth reading the articles, but the short version is that the flight model is built from wind tunnel testing data, and the FLCS is modeled to respond to input the way the real thing does… so yeah. Regardless of commentary in another thread, this is one area which the sim really does perform at a multi million dollar mil sim level (IMO).
Refer to figure 23. Fly initial at 300 knots. At the
break, retard throttle and open speedbrakes as
required. On downwind leg, when airspeed is below
300 knots, lower the LG. During base turn, recheck
the LG down and slow to computed final approach
airspeed to arrive on final at 11 or 13 degrees AOA.
Check speedbrakes open and maintain computed
final approach airspeed/AOA on final. Rate of
descent decreases slightly when entering ground
effect. Reduce thrust gradually to continue the
descent while applying back stick to reduce sink rate
to the minimum practical. Thrust can be reduced
sooner during an 11degree approach than during a
13degree approach. In either case, maintain a
maximum of 13 degrees AOA while reducing sink
rate to the minimum practical.Use twopoint aerodynamic braking until approxi
mately 100 knots; then fly the nosewheel to runway.
Maximum effective twopoint aerodynamic braking
is achieved at 13 degrees AOA. An AOA less than 11
degrees results in significantly reduced twopoint
aerodynamic braking. Although twopoint aerody
namic braking is effective as low as 80 knots,
runway length and condition should be used to
determine when, after decelerating to 100 knots, to
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@Faman:
I have some realistic commentary on the subject.
I suppose F-16 Falcon is in the museum by now with that hyperworld around in the future.Whats realistic in this Statement?
Totally Shit.
F-16s are still in Production and the Number is growing. Over 4500 ( Number reached 2012 ) F-16 were buildt already.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N0JT03T20131214?irpc=932 - Watch this!
F-16 is the most awesome Fighter-Aircraft ever built and will fly very very far in todays Future. So dont tell shit about the VIPER, which you are actually flying in this very good and realistic Sim! -
Now hear this Fallow Falcon Fans, I have come to new enlightment without politics and religion…
I was discussin the rudder problem on another forum of the WW2 flightsim Cliffs of Dover and came to the followin conclusion:
Before the year 2000 Falcon 4.0 was realistic in a real world that still excisted. It seems only me can remember the excellent simulation of nose up drag on the runway after touchdown.
I tried and managed this in Falcon BMS but it simply said works like shit, don’t forget the so-called AoA of 13 degrees doesn’t make much of a difference.
Don’t forget you’re close to landing the bird on it’s tail and crash… I guess it’s meant for other industry called porm.The rudder SHOULD yaw only as this was realistic in the real world on planet earth before 2000. Later on you were fooled by the computerworld on a planet that doesn’t seem to excist.
The Fools adjusted this according to the rules and behaviour of the porm-industry. So in fact you’re a pilot on Planet Whorus!End you missed the nuclear war, WW3 was fought out already long time ago…
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What are you talking about ?
The rudder should yaw only ?? Are you saying there should not be roll.coupling ?
Jeez you dont know shit about aircrafts LOL
I think we even have a video of a real rudder roll that i have asked one of my f16 friend driver to perform . BMS is spot on
I think you are completely mistaken by the arcade FM that oeiginal F4/AF was
And Yes aerobraking is perfectly working, i would love to see a video of one of your landing
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basically faman, you don’t know shit about ****ing anything and your manner isn’t going to win any awards either. give us some real evidence of literally any of your claims or stop posting. thanks.
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Btw
Here you see a perfect aerobraking
As you can see speed is decreasing quite well at 13 deg aoa
If your speed does not decrease on your side i suggest that you check your idle joystick position
Check that you are not ine SEC as well
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@Faman:
The rudder SHOULD yaw only as this was realistic in the real world on planet earth before 2000.
Of course, if you also consider combat ready F-16 pilots also flying corpses and coffins, please buy Tom Clancys Hawx and play some arcade…
Can confirm, HAWX has this realistic real world flight model, taken straight from MP:F4, with rudder that ONLY yaws…
I second the suggestion that you pick up a copy of HAWX, it will satisfy all your yaw only needs, for the low price of $4.98 at a store near you!*
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*Terms and conditions apply. See instore for details. Not all stores may be participating outlets. Blu3wolf.com and/or any of its affiliates will not be responsible for any side effects, which may or may not include higher pricing, jaywalking, unplanned pregnancy, temporary sanity, permanent sanity, spontaneous combustion, seizures, and death. Some of these limitations of liability may not apply in your jurisdiction, but the agreement as a whole is held whole with the inapplicable portions severed. Lending criteria, charges fees and interest may apply. By reading this agreement you have agreed to the full terms and conditions, found instore or at Blu3wolf.com.
There is no mention of erectile dysfunction in your T&C, I bought HAWX and now I am having problems. Expect a call from my lawyers soon.
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Blu3wolf.com and/or any of its affiliates will not be responsible for ANY side effects, which may or may not include…
Are you implying that erectile dysfunction was the main effect you were hoping for?
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@Faman:
Now hear this Fallow Falcon Fans, I have come to new enlightment without politics and religion…
I was discussin the rudder problem on another forum of the WW2 flightsim Cliffs of Dover and came to the followin conclusion:
Before the year 2000 Falcon 4.0 was realistic in a real world that still excisted. It seems only me can remember the excellent simulation of nose up drag on the runway after touchdown.
I tried and managed this in Falcon BMS but it simply said works like shit, don’t forget the so-called AoA of 13 degrees doesn’t make much of a difference.
Don’t forget you’re close to landing the bird on it’s tail and crash… I guess it’s meant for other industry called porm.The rudder SHOULD yaw only as this was realistic in the real world on planet earth before 2000. Later on you were fooled by the computerworld on a planet that doesn’t seem to excist.
The Fools adjusted this according to the rules and behaviour of the porm-industry. So in fact you’re a pilot on Planet Whorus!End you missed the nuclear war, WW3 was fought out already long time ago…
I’m so sorry, Mister President…Hi, Let’s please sum it like this:
BMS F-16 flight model is tested continuously by RL F-16 drivers and we didn’t get any bug reports about aerobraking issue at landing. So please choose what you like to do, either you can believe us that this is real behavior or you can go a head and fly F4AF, original F4.0, HawkX or whatever and be happy.But please don’t keep pushing for this issue while everyone else tell you that you are wrong.
Thank you. -
enough said
