Kuznetsov aircraft carrier - How can i destroy it ?

[regev]

First try i did a flight at FL 25000 with GBU-10, got shut down by SA-N-6, 30-35 nm from the carrier, there was no warnning on the RWR.

Second try, made a low flight at 500ft, 60nm from the carrier, with AGM-65G.
Got shut down again by the SA-N-6, no RWR warnning.

Both flights were without Jammer pod.

Any tips on how to attack the carrier and what is the ideal weapon to use ?

[starrats]

Take 4 hornets with a couple agm84 a piece and order them one by one to launch at carrier. Agm84 harpoon can be launched far out of reach from missiles of the carrier group. If you like f16 only, I think they can carry harpoon. I always use av8 or hornets. Sometimes it’s easy to tell the carrier on the radar, but if you sink other ships on accident, just take another flight and try again.

I think if you hit it with at least three missiles , it will get destroyed in 2d debrief, but if you want to see it explode in 3D world, you have to hit it 4 or 5 times. I think, maybe more.

[Cik]

against SA-10 you really need terrain masking (not possible on water) or to outrange the thing.

mass volleys of HARMs are your only real option assuming it’s got missiles left. i don’t know if they’ll do much damage to it but they can (barely) outrange it’s defense system.

i mean, unless you got a sub nearby or something. then i suggest MK46 NEARTIP. that should do the trick :^)

[Dee-Jay]

@regev:

First try i did a flight at FL 25000 with GBU-10,…
Any tips on how to attack the carrier and what is the ideal weapon to use ?

Certainly not GBUs … they are nothing against a carrier.

[regev]

Ok guys, u gave some good ideas.

First i will do a 4-ship\F-16C50\AGM-88 attacks on the carrier and the ships close to her.
Then i will do a 4-ship\F-18C\AGM-84 attacks on the carrier (30 min after the -88 attacks).

Jizzzz, those SA-10 are nasty . . .

[Dee-Jay]

AGM-88 is even more nothing against a carrier. The radar antennas are not simulated as objects, so AGM-88 should do anything on the ship’s AD capabilities.

Then i will do a 4-ship\F-18C\AGM-84 attacks on the carrier (30 min after the -88 attacks).

30min would be WAY too much … 1min - 4min is better.

[Red Dog]

AGM-88 is even more nothing against a carrier. The radar antennas are not simulated as objects, so AGM-88 should do anything on the ship’s AD capabilities.

you sure about that?

to thje OP, you need a huge Comao for that. It’s a very lethal target, you need to fight your way in, annihilating the fighter cover first
then do your SEAD work and finally get standoff harpoons on it (takes multiple delta hotel) to sink it

Rokaf F-16 are harpoon able

it’s a great scenario for a complicated time critical TE
have fun

[macieksoft]

Well, Harpoons should work well without HARMs, they have nice standoff range so they can be launched outside of the SAM engagement zone i think.

[Agave_Blue]

@macieksoft:

Well, Harpoons should work well without HARMs, they have nice standoff range so they can be launched outside of the SAM engagement zone i think.

Fireable in BMS at ~70nm, iirc. For even more fun, SLAM-ERs.

Who needs HARMs?

[regev]

I fly F-16C50 so i can not carry AGM-84 (Balkan).
I want to be at the carrier area, 50-60nm from it, so i will take the -88 just in case and watch the F-18 do there thing with the harpoons.
I want to see the flames of the sinking carrier, hopfully 4-ship/f-18 will do the job.

Now i know why those tornados with AS.34 (range 23 km/35 km) didn’t do the job earlier in the campaign.

[Axe]

Use the Mighty F16 Fighting Falcon

Using AGM-65G.
Kill requirements for 3D world:
Kuznetsov takes 5 hits will kill it .
Kirov takes 4 sometimes 5.
Sovremenny takes 3.

[simple training TE attached]
A small text file is included

[regev]

Axe i want to do this in a campaign environment, with all its variables.

But, can u explain how to do this with -65G ?

[starrats]

also set your flight path about 40 miles away from carrier so escorts wont needlessly die, and launch harpoons at 60 or lower , just to be sure. they say they are in range before that but i have seen them time out right before impact if you launch early. i need to try tv guided slam-er again. seems like i remember no effect against ships. but this may be wrong.

[Dee-Jay]

@Red:

you sure about that?

Honestly no. But I do not see where it would be defined in DB … In the sim, I highly believe that the radar “function” is tied to the vehicle itself. So as long the vehicle is not “destroyed” the radar is working.

For for sure, IRL, one can’t sink a ship with and AGM-88 which has a very weak explosive charge and is only made to damage/destroy an antenna, not an armored vehicle.

[regev]

@Dee-Jay:

For for sure, IRL, one can’t sink a ship with and AGM-88 which has a very weak explosive charge and is only made to damage/destroy an antenna, not an armored vehicle.

My aim for using the -88 is not to sink the carrier, maybe i can hit the SAM RDR\Anntena’s and degrade the SAM coverage. 8 missiles, maybe they will do the job and if they hit the carrier it will be added to the later attacks (8X-AGM-84). So 16 missiles on the carrier . . . lets see how it goes.

[Axe]

In the TE, be advised that steerpoint 2 is layed down as a precision point. Don’t forget to reset your data cartridge for 2 before doing other flying.
Must make consecutive missions without saving/exiting to avoid 2D kill bug. If ship is on fire, it’s a legit kill.

I have other Kuznetsov TE’s also if someone wants it.

1vs 1 Kirov
1 vs 1 Kuznetsov
1 vs 1 Sovremenny
1 vs 4 Sovremenny (it’s got a kill bug I can’t find a workaround for)

(regev, must be able to do it in simpler TE before campaign. Please check it out….I haven’t hunted Carrier Group in campaign in over 2 years but made these to get myself ready. Cause I’m coming for them soon)

Gotta run to the bank, here’s a motivational picture for your training.

[macieksoft]

@Agave_Blue:

For even more fun, SLAM-ERs.

I don’t think they have penetrator warhead like Harpoon does.

[drtbkj]

Regev, It’s definitely an Alpha strike situation. I’d take HARM shooters and an escort. For ordinance I’d suggest either Harpoon(from Viper) or SLAM(don’t forget the AWW-9) from the Hornet, with enough missiles to achieve 4-5 hits

[Axe]

@regev:

Axe i want to do this in a campaign environment, with all its variables.

But, can u explain how to do this with -65G ?

You were too high.

If you just want the carrier, it is possible. But if you want to wipe out the Carrier Group you must go through the Kirov. The Kirov is the price for admission. It is the glue that holds the group together. It is a very bad boy!

[regev]

O.k, partial success.

The carrier is surrounded by battle ships, they are so close so it is hard to know what was locked on the HAD Screen.
On the first wave i attacked one unrecognized ship, and on the second wave, another ship.
On the debrief all flight members got 100% hit on KIROV & SOVREMENNY battle ships but didn’t get credit for destroying the ships (on the AI MAP they gone).

The F-18 with there -84 hit the carrier but didn’t destroyed it.

Next mission will be similiar but now the carrier is more recognizeble on the HAD. and i will create 2 flights of 4-SHIP F-18. Eache aircraft with 4 missiles, so 32 missile should do the job . . . hopefully