TE: Is it possible to include landings in a flight path?
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Hi folks,
I’d like to create a “peaceful” TE for the Aegean theatre starting out at Samos, flying over to Crete, landing at Heraklion, doing a hotpit refuel and then either fly back to Samos or some other base and end the TE there.
Question:
Is it possible set “landing” at a different A/B as a waypoint?
Can I communicate with Iraklion ATC simply by switching frequencies or will tower comms always address my home plate?
Would it be possible to assign “targets” like maybe escorting another plane there and back safely?
Sorry if these are stupid questions, I’m wondering what’s possible w/r to TEs.
All the best & thanks in advance,
Uwe
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Is it possible set “landing” at a different A/B as a waypoint?
Why would you do that? If you plan to land on a different airport, you can add that AB as a waypoint, no?
Can I communicate with Iraklion ATC simply by switching frequencies or will tower comms always address my home plate?
You communicate with the tower your frequency is set to. If you set the freq to Heraklion, you will be talking to Heraklion.
Would it be possible to assign “targets” like maybe escorting another plane there and back safely?
Add a flight that needs escorting first. Then add your flight and choose escort as mission task, you can then set the flight you need to escort.
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Indeed I think he wants to make a step at an airbase then continue flying to another airbase, am I right ?!
Dunno if it’s possible, did you try to add other stpt after making a landing stpt?! coz if you can’t then it’s not possible…Sorry for my bad english mates…
Kalonji
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Indeed I think he wants to make a step at an airbase then continue flying to another airbase, am I right ?!
Dunno if it’s possible, did you try to add other stpt after making a landing stpt?! coz if you can’t then it’s not possible…Sorry for my bad english mates…
Kalonji
IIRC you can add more waypoints but sometimes they don’t show up anymore in the flight plan for some reason. But why the need to set the action if you are flying human? For all BMS cares, you could set strike on that AB If you fly it yourself, it’s just another waypoint. Just place it as NAV and altitude 0ft or something to get a more correct estimate of speed/TOS. Or set it as refuel with a patrol time of say 15min’s to take into account the landing+hotpitrefuel+TO delay?
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Thanks guys, actually I want to be able to fly this TE both with AI and / or human pilots. I’ll try your suggestions and see how it goes.
Cheers, Uwe
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AI can’t. Any AI landing is a full stop.
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Yep thanks, I just found that out, too
I guess I’ll have to make my way back on my own with my AI wingie then…
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Here’s the first version of my TE, it works quite well. The only problem I found (as was already pointed out) is the wingman AI shutting down the jet after touchdown at Iraklion and that I don’t need to set my radio to IRA frequency, I can communicate with the tower just fine using the Samos frequency.
Next time I’ll just send the AI home before requesting landing.
All in all a very nice an peaceful flight over the Cretan Sea, very good work indeed! Thanks for all your efforts in making this possible (both BMS and theater hackers).
Uwe
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1983539/Aegean_escort.7z
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I have landed many times on other airbases (including enemies…LOL) than the home plate and the AI wingman, followed me until the ground, I took fuel, and took off again, it continuously following me, but it did not take any fuel.
Regards Metalhead -
I don’t need to set my radio to IRA frequency, I can communicate with the tower just fine using the Samos frequency.
You can always communicate with the tower your freq is set to, but that doesn’t mean you were talking to the correct tower. If I fly over Seosan and set freq to Kunsan, of course Kunsan will reply.
If you are outside 30NM radius of the tower, you cannot declare inbound for landing, it will reply you are outside their airspace. If your second base is inside a 30NM radius of the other base your freq is set to of course, or where you are flying at that moment you contact the tower, you would get a reply of course, not knowing something is wrong. -
I have landed many times on other airbases (including enemies…LOL) than the home plate and the AI wingman, followed me until the ground, I took fuel, and took off again, it continuously following me, but it did not take any fuel.
Regards MetalheadThis is completely new to me!!!
Will try on my side.
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You can always communicate with the tower your freq is set to, but that doesn’t mean you were talking to the correct tower. If I fly over Seosan and set freq to Kunsan, of course Kunsan will reply.
If you are outside 30NM radius of the tower, you cannot declare inbound for landing, it will reply you are outside their airspace. If your second base is inside a 30NM radius of the other base your freq is set to of course, or where you are flying at that moment you contact the tower, you would get a reply of course, not knowing something is wrong.Iraklion is defintely further away from Samos than 30 miles, I was called down on runway 12 I think which matched what I was seeing on the ground.
I saved the UHF to the DC before taking off (slot #1, 243.20 according to the approach chart), maybe this has something to do with it? It could also be a theater bug of course.
All the best, Uwe
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Is it possible set “landing” at a different A/B as a waypoint?
I don’t need to set my radio to IRA frequency, I can communicate with the tower just fine using the Samos frequency.
Iraklion is defintely further away from Samos than 30 miles, I was called down on runway 12 I think which matched what I was seeing on the ground.
I saved the UHF to the DC before taking off (slot #1, 243.20 according to the approach chart), maybe this has something to do with it? It could also be a theater bug of course.
All the best, Uwe
Hi there Uwe.
Well let me help you a little.- So you can move and set the “landing” waypoint to the desired airport you want to land, but check to can have the fuel. Just move your mouse over the takeoff airport and you can move the landing point of there, then place it where you want but of course over an airport. If you can’t do this and grab an other waypoint, simply delete the “inner” waypoints between the 1 takeoff and the last landing and then you can be able to do this. Then insert the rest ones waypoints you want.
- About the frequencies, obviously there is a problem in your Aegean installation. If you can hear both ATC (towers) of Samos and Iraklion airports at 257.80 (and NOT at 243.20), that means that you didn’t apply the Hotfix v1.2 for Aegean theater!
So go here (at the end of the post #1): https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8426-Aegean-Theatre-IAP-charts
and get the Hotfix v1.2 and install it, it is a MUST! Instructions inside the rar file.
Then go to the folder …\Falcon BMS 4.32\Data\Add-On Aegean\Docs and print/use this file “Navaids list for Aegean theater v1.0.pdf” and NOT these ones “1109_AegeanNav.pdf” and “Aegean_Nav_Volume.pdf” because they are outdated and not conformal with the latest version of Aegean theater.
Now you can use for Samos airport the UHF of 257.20 and for Iraklion airport the UHF of 243.20 without any issue or conflict ;).
Check it and reply.
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also if you want you can set two packages and pretend they are the same…by this i mean you set the first flight taking off at one base( say a 4-ship) and move the landing steer point to the airbase of choice that you want to land at…then set say a 3-ship to take off around the time that you think you will land( taking into account time for tower to clear and direct you in and time for hotpit refuel) and you become the 2nd elements wing instead of lead…and set the flight path accordingly as to what or where you want it to go. In my opinion i think this would be a good practice flight for navigation training and after land and fuel you would get some practice as a wingman on the way back…
however i would recommend that 1st tower freq. to uhf 15 and 2nd tower freq to uhf 16 etc…or write them down and manually change them in flight but make sure its one of the “OPEN” freqs as to not lose any of the other freqs that may be useful during flight or engagement…
hope this helps you and if you like i would be willing to make the flight modifications if you would like…just pm me
and if you want some battle te’s, i have been making some decent ones as well but they take like 2 hrs +/- to fly -
I haven’t had any issues hearing the AI on my allocated frequencies if I stay on the tower frequency until I’m way out of range - radio transmissions get really quiet and some static - but I’ve only flown offline, no online interactions still. Eventually I change to something else so I don’t hear, “…cleared t… land ru…ay …., check ge…wn.” But for the most part I set frequency 1 UHF and VHF to my home tower in the DTC, and leave the rest of the frequencies alone. I hardly ever hear anything from one comm anyway - yes I’m a bit lazy - but it’s your choice to channel hop or not. Make sure you have a current copy of all the tower freq.'s and ILS #'s, and their GPS coordinants - useful if you’re totally lost/dammaged/didn’t copy down relevent mission information/etc., to find your way home.
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thanks for your detailed explanation, Nikos! I’ll take a look over the weekend.
All the best, Uwe
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I just did a couple of hours of free flying in the IKAROS theater, and it looks llike the wingman lands and takes off again if the flight lead takes off again quickly enough.
I started from Souda on Crete and went on a trip to Santorini and back to Iraklion where I landed and took off again. Wingie followed me and landed again at Souda.
Nice! I guess there may be a problem if you hot pit refuel at an airbase, but just taxiing through seems to work fine (though I was bitched at for impeding traffic in a completely empty airspace).
All the best, Uwe
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towers are incredible sourpusses about everything it is because they wanted to be pilots and have unfulfilled dreams.
just ignore them that’s what i do
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@Cik:
towers are incredible sourpusses about everything it is because they wanted to be pilots and have unfulfilled dreams.
just ignore them that’s what i do
For most flying in BMS, I rather think you can get away with treating all airbases as non towered airfields, and operating under CTAF principles.
Trying to replicate more complicated procedures is made rather difficult by the lack of information and cooperation from the tower AI.
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For most flying in BMS, I rather think you can get away with treating all airbases as non towered airfields, and operating under CTAF principles.
agreed