China have third airport named bai shan changbaishan airport at the border

[Renard]

This airport built in 2008 near Fusong.
I don’t know what is the background times of the KTO theater,I just give some revise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changbaishan_Airport

19/01 N 42° 3’52.65" E 127°36’9.95" from google earth

There is also a big mistake about kadena airbase

[Agave_Blue]

Kadena/Fukuyoka is well known.

[Renard]

@Agave_Blue:

Kadena/Fukuyoka is well known.

[molnibalage]

It is just a naming issue, for me a “who cares problem”. 1000 of things have higher priority than this.

[Red Dog]

charts have already the good name anyway
don(t worry, we are well aware

[Renard]

Hungry is a who cares problem too.

[molnibalage]

@Renard:

Hungry is a who cares problem too.

Maybe it is too personal for you but as a gameplay factor is 10000% unimportant how is called a Japanese airport.

About the new Chinese airport. First of all it is not a military base. Yes, Kimpo is also a civilan airport but it is in the heart of the map…

The era factor an issue because since the release the map was literally not updated. Campaign and DB always got new units because somebody get the idea that Falcon should model an era too which is not able to do well…

As I have said there are gamebraking and showstopper issues and you feel to be offended just because somebody are not considered these serious issues. They are not serious. Period.

[BFG]

@molnibalage:

Maybe it is too personal for you but as a gameplay factor is 10000% unimportant how is called a Japanese airport.

Many flight simmers would disagree and have every right to their own opinion. An incorrectly named/misplaced airport may be surprising to a many modern flight simmers who are new to BMS.

@molnibalage:

…and you feel to be offended just because somebody are not considered these serious issues. They are not serious. Period.

Nobody claimed to be “offended” and nobody claimed that this is a “serious issue” anywhere on this page.

We have a community member offering some useful information without making any demands whatsoever. That’s exactly why this is such a great sim and I’d like to thank Renard.

You’re forever shooting down anyone who disagrees with your very specific and personal opinion of what everyone else should be working on. Not everyone knows what/how is being worked on, or what’s on the to-do list or how to edit the db. Not everyone has years of experience. And not everyone cares what you think is “more important”. I’m not aware of any rules regarding what people should be spending their evenings on, and they are not your employees. They bring their own individual contributions, for free, and they all make BMS awesome.

Sorry for the rant but I’m tiring of the way you keep telling people what they should want and what they should do with their own hobby and free time. You do your stuff, which we appreciate very much, but let others do theirs in peace. You’re discouraging people from getting involved. If you don’t care about the names of airports that’s fine. Leave it to those who do and move on.

[spooky]

Nah, you guys have it wrong. Molni is just being himself. He managed to point out for xxxxxx time that DB is off. Cheers.

[virtualtwenthe]

maybe we can introduce a new thread, “who cares problem”

Also the things that Renard called can be put into “Iff you could have one thing in the next update it would be” find here https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?16553-Iff-you-could-have-one-thing-in-the-next-update-it-would-be

grtz
G.

[Red Dog]

gents, be a little realistic

first there is no way a simulation can be accurate at 100% to real life for the simple fact that real life is very dynamic and simulation is as dynamic as the number of updates and the number of coders/developpers working on it.

IRL, new airports are built, old ones are closed, train station are moved from one place to another one. Notams notifies radio navigation aids problem, real navaids frequencies changes all the time. we have no such thing in a simulation.
even if we had, it would be fully realistic for only the first 24 hours, then it would be outdated.

knowing that you can perfectly understand the priority system we have to deal with.
if you can’t, well you will be eternaly insatisfied.

furthermore, what would bring changing the name from Fukuoka to kadena?
1. tactically, nothing
2. strategically: nothing
3. immersion: bad thing, the name frag would remain kadena and then you’d complain because Fukuoka would call kadena on the radio
the important thing is that we have an active airbase in Japan that is tactically and strategically necessary, whatever its name

what would adding an airport in china in current korea?
1. tactically: nothing - especially not a large civil airport
2. strategically: same
3. immersion …. how often does the majority here fly from the two chinese airbase?

you have no idea what it takes to add other airbase in current korea, we would rather concentrate on making the tactically and strategically important ones looking more like their real counterparts

so priorities gents indeed !!
and the need for addon that really make sense

[Renard]

@molnibalage I consider this as a important issue because BMS is a combat flight simulator.
You said that 1000 of things have higher priority than this,yes,you are right,but deal with these things are harder than fix a name problem.
Why don’t deal simple problem first?

[molnibalage]

Changing name is not hard. Adding a real functional airbase even just using stock models is quite hard… Creating a totally new functional airbase is even harder. As we have explained it is even questionable why should be added the new airport…

[Agave_Blue]

@Renard:

…. Why don’t deal simple problem first?

Not so simple ….

@Red:

…… the name frag would remain kadena and then you’d complain because Fukuoka would call kadena on the radio …

This alone makes it hard. Yes you can change the name on the map or in the docs. But you can’t change (easily) the name on the radio. And when you do (edit/splice a new name/voice in) sounds (very) unrealistic. IMHO.

For some ‘easy’ things, maybe it’s better to leave well enough alone. IOW, we have to accept the fact that we’re going to have ‘selective realism’. Not everyone will be 100% satisfied with the selections …. .

[molnibalage]

Yes, I have no idea how can be added new radio calls to sound DB. About 6 years ago once I found a tool but I did not kept. So far I have never was able to find that tool again.

[Renard]

@molnibalage:

Yes, I have no idea how can be added new radio calls to sound DB. About 6 years ago once I found a tool but I did not kept. So far I have never was able to find that tool again.

http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ntigfpR

I found this tool for you to make korea theater more precise.

https://www.mediafire.com/?sg9dmj58x0xr22a here is the voice.

If you need a male voice,I could record it.

I know western guys all have a straight tongue. lol

[Renard]

@Red:

gents, be a little realistic

first there is no way a simulation can be accurate at 100% to real life for the simple fact that real life is very dynamic and simulation is as dynamic as the number of updates and the number of coders/developpers working on it.

IRL, new airports are built, old ones are closed, train station are moved from one place to another one. Notams notifies radio navigation aids problem, real navaids frequencies changes all the time. we have no such thing in a simulation.
even if we had, it would be fully realistic for only the first 24 hours, then it would be outdated.

knowing that you can perfectly understand the priority system we have to deal with.
if you can’t, well you will be eternaly insatisfied.

furthermore, what would bring changing the name from Fukuoka to kadena?
1. tactically, nothing
2. strategically: nothing
3. immersion: bad thing, the name frag would remain kadena and then you’d complain because Fukuoka would call kadena on the radio
the important thing is that we have an active airbase in Japan that is tactically and strategically necessary, whatever its name

what would adding an airport in china in current korea?
1. tactically: nothing - especially not a large civil airport
2. strategically: same
3. immersion …. how often does the majority here fly from the two chinese airbase?

you have no idea what it takes to add other airbase in current korea, we would rather concentrate on making the tactically and strategically important ones looking more like their real counterparts

so priorities gents indeed !!
and the need for addon that really make sense

the ATC voice of greek theater is terrible ,why don’t they use meaningless but nice voice?

After translated all place name into Chinese, I found that mandumi tower does not exist any more in real world.

This is nothing on tactics and strategy ?

[Blu3wolf]

@Agave_Blue:

Not so simple ….

This alone makes it hard. Yes you can change the name on the map or in the docs. But you can’t change (easily) the name on the radio. And when you do (edit/splice a new name/voice in) sounds (very) unrealistic. IMHO.

For some ‘easy’ things, maybe it’s better to leave well enough alone. IOW, we have to accept the fact that we’re going to have ‘selective realism’. Not everyone will be 100% satisfied with the selections … .

Adding one word would sound unrealistic. I have to admit, the idea of a sound mod that replaces all the default radio chatter entirely appeals to me. Seems like it would be a lot of recording though - and you would need a lot of people to get in on it. That last part is probably the biggest thing stopping that from happening - with the second biggest stumbling block being familiarity with the existing voices.

[uri_ba]

In ITO we made a compromise, and replaced the airbases names, it sounds a bit weird because the voice is completely different. But that was the price to pay so that you will have the real name.

We did however recorded an entire new ATC voice for the Hebrew ATC. And it was a painstaking work, it took a few days to get all the fragments recorded, and another few weeks to cut everything and put into place.
And the ATC voice has less fragments then say a Pilot voice.

So not changing names is a small price to pay in order to avoid different radio calls.

maybe, one day BMS will decide to do a complete replacement of all the voice comms in the game.
a project that will require número use voice actors, and many months of work. So don’t hold your breath for this to happen very soon.

[Dee-Jay]

… or will use synthesised voice frags.