Working mirrors?

[Pimp]

Hi Team,

I was just wondering if we are going to ever see this effect in BMS? Im sure this would cause a big fps hit, but it would be a nice addition since we’ve never had it. I recall back in the day, when u press “4” or “5”, a box would pop-up showing the rear view. Not sure if this is still there, but could it be possible to modify that piece of code to map that view to the mirrors? Would this require a flight model edit?

Thanx in Advance!!!

[Cobracab]

@Pimp:

Hi Team,

I was just wondering if we are going to ever see this effect in BMS? Im sure this would cause a big fps hit, but it would be a nice addition since we’ve never had it. I recall back in the day, when u press “4” or “5”, a box would pop-up showing the rear view. Not sure if this is still there, but could it be possible to modify that piece of code to map that view to the mirrors? Would this require a flight model edit?

Thanx in Advance!!!

It was discussed a long time ago, and a few basic attempts were even made, but ultimately it was a big time FPS killer without redoing tons of code as I recall.

[Babite]

Re-inquiring on reflective devices

[Amraam]

I don’t think the situation have change ;).

[Mower]

Well, speaking as a long time flier of the DCS A10C, I would say that mirrors enabled dont kill FPS too much but of course thats assuming you have the pc hardware in the first place, which I do.

On the other hand, while mirrors are cool for immersion, they are darn near useless.

Besides which, the F16 doesnt have mirrors so who cares, right?

[gillbo]

So guys, since the advent of fighters that have mirrors, kinda disappointing when the mirrors are just grey…… Is there any plans to put something in?
If not, wouldn’t it make sense to just remove them from the cockpit altogether?

Cheers

[gillbo]

Sorry, I mean since the introduction of fighters with mirrors…… blah blah… into the game.

[uri_ba]

Mirror will be added when BMS will no longer be limited by the Falcon GFX engine… Maybe sooner…

But don’t get your hopes up too soon

[Mower]

Mirrors are a non starter.

IFF on the other hand…

[Arty]

Well with the new addition in the F-18D mirrors might get handy… refresh the makeup… put some lipstick… take a glance at the chick… :lol:

actually this would be like showing 2 more WPN or TGP pages (kinda). Also I don’t know if the code can display backwards things… in that case if mirrors could be implemented than and a 360 view could be done???

HHHhhhmhmmmm…

[molnibalage]

IMHO mirriors are pointless.

Honestly, in the era what most of players play with Falcon what would be te benefits of mirrors…? You can’t see coming any AAM bececause advanced SR IR AAM are smokless.

Even you can see R-73 it means it is launched at very close by some and you cannot outmanouver it and in case you try with flares. In Falcon you can consider R-73 literally immune to flare.(AIM-9M is same case.)

If anything is on your six and you can see it mirrior you are already dead.

In cost of FPS is what Arty said. More and more TGP, while even the MAV /TGP has very very serious impact on FPS. BTW on F-16 is no mirriors which is the main modeled AC of BMS4.

[Corsair]

against missiles, mirrors are pointless, yes… but they are useful if you want to have a quick glance at your six for any other reason : check your wingman, etc… F-16 has no mirror thanks to his great canopy, but many contemporary acfts still have some : Mirage 2000, Hornet, etc.
That said, yes, they are usually framerate eaters in flight sims (excepted for IL-2, in which they have no impact and do their job very well).

[Raptor]

@Mower:

IFF on the other hand…

Well I couldn’t imagine that this would fit here too… lol

[Revolpathon]

as said. the falcon graphics engine is the limiting factor here… maybe someday in the far off 3-4 week future we will see a completely new graphics engine or a heavily modified one (though i’m assuming it’s already modified).

IFF is a 3-4 week pipedream as well but this time due to the system being classified and don’t know enough about it to simulate it, even now datalink and radio comms are getting tweaked still to reflect the real world… i’ve been told by a few people (former pilots included) that the datalink in cont mode would get interrupted when transmissions occur on the radio, which is not the case yet in bms.

my most looked forward feature would have to be expanded HMCS simulation. it’s an incredibly powerfull tool if it worked in it’s full capacity in the A-G role as well.

[Raptor]

@Revolpathon:

due to the system being classified and don’t know enough about it to simulate it

Don’t want to talk again and again about this in public and hack this thread, but, you are wrong.

@Revolpathon:

even now datalink and radio comms are getting tweaked still to reflect the real world… i’ve been told by a few people (former pilots included) that the datalink in cont mode would get interrupted when transmissions occur on the radio, which is not the case yet in bms

It is mentioned before, current data link will need a small update in order to behave like real. Nothing difficult, I guess in time.

[agalnov]

Mnay type of Links are there.

If you talk about the one that seems to be emulated in BMS, yes. The IDM is setup on one or the other radio, (usually on interflight, to avoid screewing up common freq -Awacs- and such), so if you are using that radio with voice, the IDM will loose incoming info, and also its slot to transmit to others.

If you talk about really actual Links… no worries at all. You will have secure voice (two radios as usual) and data (a loooot of data), with no interference at all between voice and data or anything.

Sometimes I feel we ask for such in detail things, that we are missing how wonderfull BMS was and is , as it is right now.

Keep it up!

[Dee-Jay]

@Revolpathon:

IFF is a 3-4 week pipedream as well but this time due to the system being classified and don’t know enough about it to simulate it

Absolutely not. IFF is not confidential, you can find almost all info on the web … only crypto are.

[Revolpathon]

@Dee-Jay:

Absolutely not. IFF is not confidential, you can find almost all info on the web … only crypto are.

i stand corrected.

maybe someday hopefully then we can use squawk codes and iff then :), i mean crypto can be faked, that doesnt have to be accurate at all.

in the meantime i’ll go back and see what other goodies i’ve missed so far in bms… i swear i run into something new every so often

[Dee-Jay]

@Revolpathon:

i mean crypto can be faked, that doesnt have to be accurate at all.

Pointless anyway … no need to implement any crypto stuff … crypto would be transparent for the virtual pilot as it is for the real pilot IRL.

[Arty]

@agalnov:

Sometimes I feel we ask for such in detail things, that we are missing how wonderfull BMS was and is , as it is right now.

Keep it up!

Some?
I believe this is the majority.
Most subjects are talked to death details.
I understand the passion and the need programmer’s have for details, also the details in objects skins etc that are the salt and pepper.
And also I share your opinion that we overdo it those times.
The good (?) thing is many guys got tired of arguing or repeating arguments in posts and things got a bit better on repetition of the subjects.

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