IMPORTANT : MFD extract
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I agree with radium. I like to use everything in sim rather than outside the screen.
So I guess you are using mouse instead of joystick for immersion?
XD
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Cockpit builders - no matter how elaborate - use extraction; video gamers do not…that’s pretty much what it comes down to.
While BMS is a videogame that we enjoy. Even those who have a home cockpit are still gamers : we do this for our own happiness and this is not used in a training framework : almost nobody here including me flew and will ever flew F-16 and even if it is very realistic it remains a great PC game that we download on internet ! We are all same !
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As I said in one of those Discord-channels:
Who among the devs thought it was a good idea to drop something like that and not give any sort of explanation… It’s bound to create speculation and confusion until they reveal more.The first thought that comes to many minds with the current phrasing and lack of context, as witnessed here, is obviously that you’re asking: “Do you guys really use MFD Extraction, or would it be okay if we removed it?
That’s bullshit. This is exactly what happens what you make assumptions. Where does it state extraction will be dropped?
The poll was worded in a way which, if you read what is being asked and NOT make your own assumptions with nothing whatsoever to back them up, is quite clear - do you or do you not use extraction. It is that simple. Moral of the story - read what is written and answer accordingly. Or don’t.
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So far I’ve been a “perpetual newbie”, learning the sim very slowly when I can find some time.
I voted “no” because I haven’t used any external MFDs yet.
However, I do often dream of having some sort of external MFDs and/or ICP. I’d love to have the TM MFDs with clickable buttons, mounted in front an extra monitor (or monitors), so that I could look at the MFDs, see the same thing that’s in the virtual cockpit, and push the physical OSBs. Maybe even have some sort of ICP, too, either on a touchscreen or with physical buttons.
I don’t know how likely I am to try and actually set this up anytime soon. Probably too busy to actually dig into it, but it would be cool.
For now I just use a HOTAS (Warthog SSC and Cougar TQS) and I click on the virtual cockpit’s buttons with my mouse.
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That’s bullshit. This is exactly what happens what you make assumptions. Where does it state extraction will be dropped?
The poll was worded in a way which, if you read what is being asked and NOT make your own assumptions with nothing whatsoever to back them up, is quite clear - do you or do you not use extraction. It is that simple. Moral of the story - read what is written and answer accordingly. Or don’t.
Humour works without aggressiveness too. And if it’s not humour, it’s even worse.
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Humour works without aggressiveness too. And if it’s not humour, it’s even worse.
No humour, no aggressiveness. Just plain English.
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Guys it’s just a simple q.
Why try to find a negative aspect on it? For me it’s positive.
My assumption from it? Most probably they want to add some new features or new implementation for it and they want to see where the majority is and decide to have it high or low on their priority list.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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No humour, no aggressiveness. Just plain English.
This is all just semantics, but I also was under the impression that this vote is critical, from the “IMPORTANT” in the thread name and the definiteness in the poll question. No it doesn’t say that MFD extraction will be removed but it is implied if you read it like I do. I.e. apparently we don’t all read plain english. This is easily avoided next time with a small explanation on the why. Unless you like to revel in mystery of course, but then don’t blame people being puzzled…
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No
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@TwanV:
This is all just semantics, but I also was under the impression that this vote is critical, from the “IMPORTANT” in the thread name and the definiteness in the poll question. No it doesn’t say that MFD extraction will be removed but it is implied if you read it like I do. I.e. apparently we don’t all read plain english. This is easily avoided next time with a small explanation on the why. Unless you like to revel in mystery of course, but then don’t blame people being puzzled…
I don’t blame people being puzzled by a lack of information or explanation - what I dislike is people jumping to conclusions based on nothing. It is atypical to assume the worst case scenario all the time. Why does everyhing have to be so negative? Why always assume the worst? The question, again, was simple - do you or do you not use extraction? A simple yes or no would suffice, but somehow this simple question gets interpretted by some its the end of the world and BMS are going to **** us all over and remove it, the thoughtless self-serving bastards…
Yes, I agree with you 100 percent, a better worded or fuller explanation would have been much much better, but why assume the worst all time? Always look on the bright side of life anyone?
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So far I’ve been a “perpetual newbie”, learning the sim very slowly when I can find some time.
I voted “no” because I haven’t used any external MFDs yet.
However, I do often dream of having some sort of external MFDs and/or ICP. I’d love to have the TM MFDs with clickable buttons, mounted in front an extra monitor (or monitors), so that I could look at the MFDs, see the same thing that’s in the virtual cockpit, and push the physical OSBs. Maybe even have some sort of ICP, too, either on a touchscreen or with physical buttons.
If you you have a spare monitor for mounting the MFD frames using velcro and an android tablet to emulate an ICP, don’t hesitate in ordering those TM mfd frames.
It’s really not that hard to set up (thanks to YAME) if you know how to use a text editor to edit your keyfile and / or know your way around Kolbe’s keyfile generation tool.
It really adds a lot to the gaming experience IMHO and your “deskpit” will look so much cooler because of it
All the best, Uwe
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Fortunately Mav asked not to reply and just vote. What would have it been?
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If you you have a spare monitor for mounting the MFD frames using velcro and an android tablet to emulate an ICP, don’t hesitate in ordering those TM mfd frames.
It’s really not that hard to set up (thanks to YAME) if you know how to use a text editor to edit your keyfile and / or know your way around Kolbe’s keyfile generation tool.
It really adds a lot to the gaming experience IMHO and your “deskpit” will look so much cooler because of it
All the best, Uwe
Very well said indeed. I have a spare monitor and those TM MFDs, very cool! I even ordered a spare set of the TM MFDs just for case that one day they won’t exist anymore and I will be doomed
I also was lucky enough to have a “very close to real” ICP module prepared for me by someone who knows the stuff, but even before that I used Logitech G13 keyboard for ICP purpose and it was very good actually, now I’m using it for other “switches/Handles” function (GEAR handle, parking brake, JFS etc etc). It’s really almost a mini-cockpit on my desk, not bad at all for the relatively cheap investment
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Very well said indeed. I have a spare monitor and those TM MFDs, very cool! I even ordered a spare set of the TM MFDs just for case that one day they won’t exist anymore and I will be doomed
I also was lucky enough to have a “very close to real” ICP module prepared for me by someone who knows the stuff, but even before that I used Logitech G13 keyboard for ICP purpose and it was very good actually, now I’m using it for other “switches/Handles” function (GEAR handle, parking brake, JFS etc etc). It’s really almost a mini-cockpit on my desk, not bad at all for the relatively cheap investment
Even the additional buttons on the MFD (gain, etc…) can be used as a complement to the classic keyboard shortcuts. The MFD are a precious addition, undoubtly, even without a screen in the middle. I personally use a tablet Android resting between my Cougars to still check my MFD screens while turning my head, in spite of the lag. Extraction on spare screen is alas too big of a FPS loss, no matter what.
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Can’t wait for 4.34, I would even fly it without any MFDs - external or internal!
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are you saying that people who have no MFD at the moment have voted yes because they feared we could remove the option ?
JEEEZ that is worse than Brexit referendum !!!
hahahaha
But seriously… I voted “yes”. Even though I don’t actually use extracted MFDs. Yet.
I have extracted MFDs already but gave up. Because of the dual/lagging/stereo cursor problem of Alt-Tab out of and back into BMS repeatedly. So…I have ordered a pair of TM MFD Cougar. Unfortunately Amazon tells me I’ll be waiting a couple months for them to ship. When I finally get those I will superimpose upon the extracted MFDs and never go back.
The couple times I used extracted MFDs I was sold. The only reason I (temporarily) stopped is the inability of BMS to currently handle repeated Alt-Tabbing. So for me to click on the extracted MFDs it was not ideal. But when I’ll finally be able to “press buttons” with my finger on the extracted MFDs, I’m never gonna click on MFD buttons in the 3d/2d ever again. No more tilting my head forward with the TrackIR just to discern what the MFD is saying, or to mouse-click a button. All finger pressing on the extrated MFD for me! Someday. Whenever Amazon will ship those darn things to me…
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probably they want to add some new features or new implementation for it and they want to see where the majority is and decide to have it high or low on their priority list.
What?! Seriously?! Still, people *(even my good buddy Arty) are assuming this is some sort of official Development Team Member asking for people to vote on potential features!!! –-- Let’s be clear: This is NOT how the BMS Dev team operates! When have we EVER seen a poll where the Dev’s put it to us to decide on any alteration/addition/removal of any feature(s)?
A poll is just a poll. Did I miss the part where Mav-jp is an active developer for the BMS team? I humbly apologize if I missed that key point, because AFAIK Mav is a Senior Member who has been around forever, but is not currently an active developer on the BMS Team.
Whole lot off assumptions for a simple Poll, and it’s still happening. sigh Boy, I’m glad I’m not the one who thought a fun poll about who uses extracted MFD’s would be neat, because I’d be pulling my hair out at the roots about now. Much love, Mav - cool poll even if it’s a bit off the rails!
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hahahaha
But seriously… I voted “yes”. Even though I don’t actually use extracted MFDs. Yet.
I have extracted MFDs already but gave up. Because of the dual/lagging/stereo cursor problem of Alt-Tab out of and back into BMS repeatedly. So…I have ordered a pair of TM MFD Cougar. Unfortunately Amazon tells me I’ll be waiting a couple months for them to ship. When I finally get those I will superimpose upon the extracted MFDs and never go back.
The couple times I used extracted MFDs I was sold. The only reason I (temporarily) stopped is the inability of BMS to currently handle repeated Alt-Tabbing.
*FTR, in case someone here reading did not know, the fix for the double cursor after an ALT-TAB from BMS is to ALT-TAB back to BMS, then press CTRL-ALT-DELETE and then ESCAPE to return to BMS - 2nd mouse cursor disappears. Not useful for repeated use, as stated, but those external Cougar MFD’s will eliminate the issue for you once they arrive.
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Mav-JP is an extremely major member of the dev team.
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You forgot to mention that he is french on top of that