EDtracker vs Delanclip ?

[ofir1016]

Hi guys
I want to purchase a nice affordable price headtracker and would like to get your views and opinions on which is more recommwnded between the EDtracker or DelanClip ?
Thanks
Ofir

[RightStuff]

Voting for EDTracker.
Worth every single cent if you don‘t need Z-axis (aka: zoom)

[Ulti]

@RightStuff:

Voting for EDTracker.
Worth every single cent if you don‘t need Z-axis (aka: zoom)

+1

[Stevie]

+2…I consider zoom a “cheat”, anyway. I have an EDTracker Pro…love it.

[Yabba]

I have the Delanclip plus modified camera for nearly a year now and I’m very happy with the purchase. Either way a head tracker is a must have.

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[RightStuff]

@Stevie:

+2…I consider zoom a “cheat”, anyway. I have an EDTracker Pro…love it.

Not really a cheat, but IMO only neccessary if you don‘t export the instruments and need to magnify them on the main screen.

[ofir1016]

Thanks for your reply everyone
If i may ask another question : which software do you use with the device ?

[Jaycee]

Gteetings. This product’s really got my attention. Visited the website and it seems that there is a wireless version but it has been out of stock since last March.
Anyone knows if these have been discontinued or if there’s another way/place to order them?
Thanks.

[yubba]

Ok, I want,

[patpatpowercat]

I got a DelanClip a couple years ago and it has worked great for me. I like the z axis, but I don’t have it mapped to zoom. Allows me to peek around handrest.

[Focaldesign]

I have both an they both fit my need.
I use the Delan clip with the original TrackIR5 camera for ‘regular’ stuff and then I indeed also use the Z axis (not the zoom) to be able to look around my knees (pilot leg mod active) and behind the armrest etc.
For when using my simpit, and wearing the whole flight suit, g-suit, harness etc, I have an EDtracker fitted inside my HGU-55 helmet. Works good too and since I am then in a larger pit with some real switches etc, I don’t really need the Z-axis that the EDtracker lacks.

[SemlerPDX]

@Stevie:

+2…I consider zoom a “cheat”, anyway. I have an EDTracker Pro…love it.

Zoom is not a cheat because an IRL pilot can move his head around a fair bit, however far the harness allows. If you’re referring to a zoom of the world, as in the area outside the cockpit, that is a different thing entirely.

6-dof is not cheating, period. Padlocking and zooming the outside world like binocular vision is cheating. When head trackers state “zoom”, they are not talking about the cheating kind, but the “look around your cockpit” zoom like you would in real life by moving your head closer to your ICP, or in this case, your PC monitor.

I believe the word “zoom” is the communication error here.

I’m a TrackIR guy myself, very precise and the GUI is very cool with hotkeys and profile switching (all can be hooked up to voice control). A bit expensive, but the most precise.
Building a wireless TrackIR TrackClip Pro from my old broken one, getting tired of the wire on the new one - apparently the IR LED’s use so little power that once I connect it to a decent lightweight battery, I may never have to charge it (for a year or two, anyway)

[Stevie]

@SemlerPDX:

Zoom is not a cheat because an IRL pilot can move his head around a fair bit, however far the harness allows. If you’re referring to a zoom of the world, as in the area outside the cockpit, that is a different thing entirely.

Yeah - that’s the zoom I’m referring to; but even zoom when just “moving one’s head around” isn’t really all that “relisimo” and I find I can do without zoom altogether. Being able to look around is far more important than being able to “magnify”, IMO. MMV.

[hoover]

I’m wondering about the “DelanClip == NoZoom” bit… it’s entirely up to the software you use. Of course you can use this clip for z-zoom (as you can any other).

The delanclip works great on windows using FaceTrackNoIR and linuxtrack / opentrack on Linux. I’d also be a bit doubtful about claims like “TrackIR being the most precise” because naturally that’s bound to be influenced by the “sunk cost fallacy” (I spent so much much money on it so it must be the best) as anything, unless you’ve tried all of the options referenced here in the thread personally.

For about $10 in parts you can build your own clip or ask a friend to help you if you don’t know which end of the soldering iron gets hot (like in my case :)), get a used ps/eye cam and you’ll be all set for around $30 in parts which is not a bad deal in order to dip your toes into head tracking (and you’ll be hooked from the moment you’ll get it to work even half-satisfactorily :))

All the best, Uwe

[Tweety]

Hi,
I would also go for the EDTracker, as I’m not a huge fan of an extra camera in pit
I use it now for 3 years and I’m still happy with it.
Thanks and have a great evening,
Tweety

[Flow32]

@hoover:

I’m wondering about the “DelanClip == NoZoom” bit… it’s entirely up to the software you use. Of course you can use this clip for z-zoom (as you can any other).

The delanclip works great on windows using FaceTrackNoIR and linuxtrack / opentrack on Linux. I’d also be a bit doubtful about claims like “TrackIR being the most precise” because naturally that’s bound to be influenced by the “sunk cost fallacy” (I spent so much much money on it so it must be the best) as anything, unless you’ve tried all of the options referenced here in the thread personally.

For about $10 in parts you can build your own clip or ask a friend to help you if you don’t know which end of the soldering iron gets hot (like in my case :)), get a used ps/eye cam and you’ll be all set for around $30 in parts which is not a bad deal in order to dip your toes into head tracking (and you’ll be hooked from the moment you’ll get it to work even half-satisfactorily :))

All the best, Uwe

The no zoom thing is for the EDTracker that has only 3DOF

[hoover]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Uwe

[SemlerPDX]

@Stevie:

Yeah - that’s the zoom I’m referring to; but even zoom when just “moving one’s head around” isn’t really all that “relisimo” and I find I can do without zoom altogether. Being able to look around is far more important than being able to “magnify”, IMO. MMV.

Lol - just wait till you get to my age and your eyes start to go (despite your glasses, and HD monitor of fair size and high DPI, hi-res graphics, etc.) – damn numbers on the gauges can’t be detailed enough to make out without getting the face a bit closer to the instrument panel sometimes. 6DOF FTW in that case!

And that zoom you’re talking about, the cheating kind - that’s not 6DOF head tracking, that’s binding the “wrong” zoom to the head and would be rather jarring to the eyes if you’re gently moving around the cockpit with your head looking at instruments, and the outside is coming in and going out with every movement. I’d get sick… :sick:

[SemlerPDX]

@hoover:

… I’d also be a bit doubtful about claims like “TrackIR being the most precise” because naturally that’s bound to be influenced by the “sunk cost fallacy” (I spent so much much money on it so it must be the best) as anything, unless you’ve tried all of the options referenced here in the thread personally.

I’d be doubtful, too, because people spout all sorts of nonsense online. Rest assured that I am not trying to talk out of my … w/e. All due respect, when I said that the TrackIR was a bit expensive, but the most precise, it was stating a fact as I knew it, and facts are not open to interpretation, though I can see how my statement (without any supporting evidence) comes across like an argument for a flat earth. I did not intend any smug shilling statement by what I said.

The TrackIR is the most precise head tracking product available for purchase (and that’s a fairly confident AFAIK, FTR) because it can focus on 1/150th of a pixel - which is pretty impressive. Couple that with an extremely refined GUI, and the higher cost of this unit becomes more understandable, and farther from phallic justifications. It was so long ago that I purchased my TrackIR that I doubt the cost justification argument still applies to me, but going out on a limb here, I’ll say that I have had and used other tracking solutions when experimenting with VR and non-native-VR games, as well as at times when my TrackIR was in disrepair or simply mothballed for whatever reason. One of the things I dislike is the wired TrackClip Pro, but I’m working on a DIY wireless kit for it.

I’m no shill for TrackIR, but I stand behind my statement that it’s a good bit of gear, sleek design, injection molding craftsmanship on the TrackClip, and excellent modern software GUI. I also like OpenTrack, too. But TrackIR is more precise.

As a final note, no one needs to try all of the options in order to form an opinion, or to state facts. People can assume what an opinion is based on, or they can ask. In my case, it’s based on user experience and facts. I’ve not tried them all, but I’ve tried some and I’ve educated myself on the workings of many. If any of these other tracking solutions have the technological precision able to focus on 1/150th of a pixel, I would be happy to stand corrected. Hell, I’ve been around here for like seven years and just recently learned that the dev team here does not have group titles next to their names, (moderators do, but…) but use the same “member/senior member/etc” titles as everyone on the website, and I got a taste of my own foot when I assumed otherwise.

It’s a fairly confident AFAIK, that TrackIR is the most precise tracking product for sale, based on known facts. Happy to learn otherwise, though. Totally not needed to purchase the most expensive and most precise head tracker for gaming, and there are many wonderful and affordable options. Back when I purchased my TrackIR, there were two options and one of them was easily thrown off by the glare off my glasses, while all of that went away when switching to TiR with TrackClip Pro.

All the best to you, Uwe!

[LLv34_Temuri]

I’ve used both.

EDTracker pro works ok enough for me. My EDtracker pro is from a few years back. Some of my friends have bought it not so long ago, and they’ve had some issues with theirs. I don’t know if it’s because of changes in EDtracker software or something else, such as the surroundings they use it in. I have a car seat in my pit, and I noticed that EDtracker took interference from the metal that was in the headrest, so I had to remove it. I fly WW2 too, where the visibility to my six is sometimes very limited, so I’ve been using the “pseudo 6DOF” (mapping head roll to X axis). It takes a bit of getting used to compared to using Delanclip, that is 6DOF.

I previously had a modded Microsoft VX-1000 webcam, and with that the tracking was not so good. That’s actually the reason why I decided to try EDtracker. A few months ago I started using a modded PS Eye camera, and since had no more issues with tracking. Currently, Delanclip is my 1st option, and I keep EDtracker as a backup for situations where there are interfering light sources behind my back.

I use OpenTrack with both EDtracker and Delanclip.