Cockpit higher seat

[Earlybite]

@Red:

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In the picture above, the camera is placed above the eye level, probably a helmet camera

I too think that this is the reason…maybe 15 cm higher then the eyes.
I’m still looking for a pic, or a video, where a pilot takes a camera directly in hight and in front of the eyes…

My 2c
Earlybite

[Arty]

Its obviously above eye level and also obvious cause u can see only the lower part of the hud projection. If it was spot on the whole hud projection would be shown.

[welsh62]

@Arty:

Ok so it’s not a general issue but a personal one. This doesn’t mean it’s wrong and BMS should change something.
Adding some kind of an option for personal needs it’s another thing.

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you are missing the point Arty

its on the same lines as g_fDefaultFOV, why have a setable field of view, why use mousewheel zoom, why be able to create calibration curves for your joystick and even tir…

its to make users pit experience less frustrating more enjoyable

get a coder to look at sim\siminput\trackir.ccp and consider adding a simple offset to

*pitch = tid.fNPPitch / 16383.f * PI;

[Arty]

this is my photo eye level and about 5 - 10 cm to the front of the eye level (space between my eyes and the camera). The seat was adjusted to the pilot not me, and I’m 1,85cm tall.

[Dee-Jay]

Almost the same for mine (seat more or less adjusted … same size than the pilot)

To see correctly (read) MFDs, need to lower the heads (or eyes).

[welsh62]

default view on entering pit WITHOUT track IR

recentered view WITH tir

Note location of the top of hud in both your pics guys - as oposed to the top of the hud in the ‘recentered’ pit screenie

[welsh62]

oh by the way - love the shots - jealous as hell though….
and yet your centre of view is through the lower 1/2 of the hud display - not the gun cross… rwr and backup ADI visible

[Dee-Jay]

@welsh62:

default view on entering pit WITHOUT track IR

recentered view WITH tir

Note location of the top of hud in both your pics guys - as oposed to the top of the hud in the ‘recentered’ pit screenie

Yep … and this make sens.

If non TIR users had the N°2 pic as default view, it would be a bit painful and kill the coolie in two weeks. But default view (if we want to fit with RL main sight) should be N°2 pic. With TIR, no prob, just lower the head a little bit.

[Dee-Jay]

@welsh62:

and yet your centre of view is through the lower 1/2 of the hud display - not the gun cross…. rwr and backup ADI visible

It is a camera picture. Must sit inside to understand… looking forward, the only thing you see in you main field of vies is the HUD.

Whatever …

Wait for screenshot of TIR software and give are try …

[welsh62]

how much time do you spend looking only ABOVE the canopy frame during a flight?
pilots ???

if you run multiple displays - extracted instruments ( home pits ) then i agree the tir centering as it stands is great - if however you are limited to 1 monitor and using the mouse on switches in the 3dpit then being able to offset the ‘center’ pitch position it would enable use of less agressive portions of profile curve where u need most stability - in the pit for actuating switches etc

been using tir4/trackclippro and Cougar since bms 2 days….

[Dee-Jay]

@welsh62:

how much time do you spend looking only ABOVE the canopy frame during a flight?
pilots ???

Depends on your mission, type, position in the flight (as wingman, you spend about 70% of time looking at you lead …)

During instrument approach, depends also, either head down, of 90% HUD only if HUD is used as primary flight instruments.

[Viper_falcon]

@Dee-Jay:

Fixing what? … Everything is working perfect with TrackIR.

I mean how can i fix without TrackIR few cm higher seat???

Nice shots, but i think that this good position few cm lower seat of the shoot of normal pilot i head up display.
Pics of real f-16 hud:

[Dee-Jay]

Try this…

Move center position => as soon as you are not 100% neutral, you will have a pitch offset.

Or … can also try the entire curve offset.

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I have used this at the beginning, but honestly, no longer now. If I need to work a lot in cockpit, a re-center with my head a little bit up => no big deal.

[Dee-Jay]

Examples of the view I am using:

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No prob here to use or look at MFDs.

[Dee-Jay]

@Viper_falcon:

I mean how can i fix without TrackIR few cm higher seat???

Nice shots, but i think that this good position few cm lower seat of the shoot of normal pilot i head up display.
Pics of real f-16 hud:

http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album03/album72/abf.jpg?m=1371062701

I do not understand sorry.

This pic is a bit too close and too high.

No such problem in BMS … eye position is “perfect” (harmonized with HUD) and is already set for you in game, no need to adjust the seat.

[welsh62]

@Viper_falcon:

I mean how can i fix without TrackIR few cm higher seat???

Viper -sorry for stealing your thread…
there is no way ( in any version of F4 ) of changing pilot head/eye position other than Trackir or other head tracking software/hardware

[welsh62]

Dee-Jay - in BOTH vids - you demonstrate my point…

first video - apart from about 30 seconds ( out of 7mins 19 sec) you were looking down enough to put the gun cross in the top 1/3 to 1/4 of the screen

second vid - again most of the time when hud central - you had the gun cross in the top 1/3 of screen

in both - most of the time top of mfds visible

if users had to " hold your stick slightly forwards whilst you calibrate" in order to fly level with no stick input ( and no way of trimming) there would be complaints (yes i know conventional not relevant to f16…)

[Amraam]

Like Deejay said, IRL you have the head in the HUD. You need to move your head to a MFD or a another to check it. And you should not see both MFD at the same times.
Here is my FOV:

[welsh62]

HI Amraam - long time no chat….

look again at the guncross when you recenter TIR - it centralises the guncross — center screen in your screenshot is about 6degrees lower than guncross closer to centre of the hud circle

[Amraam]

Yep, and? Sorry I don’t understand the problem. Everything is normal here. Sometimes I center the TIR when my head is a little bit offset, then the guncross can be out of refletive area of the HUD.