Did the f-16 carry th e aim-7 in the gulf war?
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Does anyone know if the f-16 carried the aim-7 during the gulf war? we’re tweaking the Kuwait campaign to be a bit more realistic and starting a campaign. I’ve read some references saying it was carried, vaguely, but my overwhelming knowledge is that they simply carried AIM-9s.
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Does anyone know if the f-16 carried the aim-7 during the gulf war? we’re tweaking the Kuwait campaign to be a bit more realistic and starting a campaign. I’ve read some references saying it was carried, vaguely, but my overwhelming knowledge is that they simply carried AIM-9s.
The F-16 probably carried de AIM-7 since F-15 at that time score multiple kills with the AIM-7. But back in 1992 the F-16 was already carrying the AIM-120 and score its first AA kill in the Gulf War.
So to sum up. The viper at that time carried the AIM-9 , AIM-7, and the AIM-120 (early versions)
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The F-16 probably carried de AIM-7 since F-15 at that time score multiple kills with the AIM-7. But back in 1992 the F-16 was already carrying the AIM-120 and score its first AA kill in the Gulf War.
So to sum up. The viper at that time carried the AIM-9 , AIM-7, and the AIM-120 (early versions)
AIM-120 was not used during the gulf war. You are referring to Operation Northern Watch, which was not the gulf war.
Do you have an actual source on the f-16 carrying the AIM-7?
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AIM-120 was not used during the gulf war. You are referring to Operation Northern Watch, which was not the gulf war.
Do you have an actual source on the f-16 carrying the AIM-7?
Sorry no.
For us non Americas from 1992 to today it’s still the gulf war (sorry political bad joke :P)
And yes you are correct is was during Operation Northern Watch in december 1992.The last (up to now) operational use of the AIM-7 was in operation Desert Storm in 1991. The missile was used extensively by F-15 and F-16 aircraft. At the end of the war 22 Iraqi aircraft and 3 helicopters were downed by a AIM-7 missile - Source F-16.net
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I always thaught only ANG F-16s were able to carry Sparow.
Here is a list of F-16 squadrons in Desert Storm (u already know of course), operated from four bases.
I would suggest to make ANG squadrons F-16A Sparow capable.138th Tactical Fighter Squadron NY F-16A Fighting Falcon Deployed from 174th Tactical Fighter Wing, Hancock Field, New York Air National Guard (16 Aircraft)
157th Tactical Fighter Squadron SC F-16A Fighting Falcon Deployed from 169th Tactical Fighter Group, McEntire Air National Guard Base, South Carolina Air National Guard (24 Aircraft)17th Tactical Fighter Squadron SW F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed: 9 August 1990 – 13 March 1991 (24 Aircraft)
33d Tactical Fighter Squadron SW F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed: 9 August 1990 – 13 March 1991 (24 Aircraft)
10th Tactical Fighter Squadron HR F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed from 50th Tactical Fighter Wing, Hahn Air Base, Germany, 28 December 1990 – 10 May 1991 (24 Aircraft)4th Tactical Fighter Squadron HL F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed: 28 August 1990 - 27 March 1991
421st Tactical Fighter Squadron HL F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed: 28 August 1990 – 27 March 1991
69th Tactical Fighter Squadron MY F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed from 347th Tactical Fighter Wing, Moody Air Force Base, Georgia, 8–28 January 1991. Located at King Fahd International Airport, 29 January - 4 March 1991
159th Tactical Fighter Squadron FL F-16A Fighting Falcon Deployed from 125th Fighter-Interceptor Group, Jacksonville International Airport, Florida Air National Guard
163d Tactical Fighter Squadron FW F-16A Fighting Falcon Deployed from 122d Tactical Fighter Group, Fort Wayne International Airport, Indiana National Guard
174th Tactical Fighter Squadron HA F-16A Fighting Falcon (HA) Deployed from 185th Tactical Fighter Group, Sioux Gateway Airport, Iowa National Guard
182d Tactical Fighter Squadron SA F-16A Fighting Falcon Deployed from 149th Tactical Fighter Wing, Kelly AFB, Texas National Guard614th Tactical Fighter Squadron TJ F-16C Fighting Falcon Deployed: 28 August 1990 - 27 March 1991 (24 Aircraft)
Another thing is, they did mostly AG missions IIRC, often during night. So if you are aiming for autenticity, you can disable F-16 SARH completely and
bank on F-15 escort…I think you already know all this
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USAF F-16s were AIM-9 only almost certainly - the only USAF F-16s that could use them were ADFs and none of them went out AFAIK
As for Bahrains F-16s couldn’t say but probably not - will do some checking.
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"But full LANTIRN capability wasn’t available to the F-16 during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. The few production pods that existed went to the more-capable F-15E strike aircraft. Without the LANTIRN targeting pods, F-16 pilots mostly dropped unguided weapons from high altitudes, resulting in many targets being missed. In addition to demonstrating the need for more precision-guided weapons, the Gulf War showed the ascendancy of the radar missile—29 of the confirmed or probable 44 air-to-air kills (none by F-16s) were made by Sparrows. Some felt the F-16’s performance in the war was marginal—a few F-4G Wild Weasel aircrew, charged with destroying enemy surface-to-air-missile sites, suggested the Viper be stamped “For training use only.”
As the F-16 approaches middle age, the “supplemental airplane” has become a multi-role rock star for 26 countries. More than 4,500 Vipers have been built. Within a few months after the Gulf War, F-16s began receiving many of the planned upgrades, including the long-coveted LANTIRN pods and the AMRAAM radar missile. On December 27, 1992, an F-16 patrolling the post-war Iraqi no-fly zone shot down a MiG-25 with the first-ever air-to-air kill for both an F-16 and an AMRAAM.
Read more at https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/outrageous-adolescence-f-16-180949491/#FtfsfVisiGljIo1J.99"
https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/outrageous-adolescence-f-16-180949491/?page=4
https://media.defense.gov/2016/Jan/15/2001502815/780/780/0/160115-F-ZZ999-004.jpg
An F-16C Fighting Falcon aircraft of the 388th Tactical Fighter Wing flies out on a mission during Operation Desert Storm. The aircraft is armed with AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles and Mark 84 2,000-pound bombs. (U.S. Air Force photo)
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Iraqi F-16s are still armed with Aim-7. Vintage.
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Does anyone know if the f-16 carried the aim-7 during the gulf war? we’re tweaking the Kuwait campaign to be a bit more realistic and starting a campaign. I’ve read some references saying it was carried, vaguely, but my overwhelming knowledge is that they simply carried AIM-9s.
Nope. Only the F-16 ADF was AIM-7 capable and they never left USA as I know. Most of airframes were completed 1990 and sent them to AMARG. Some of these airframes were offered in Hungary in the '90s.
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The F-16 probably carried de AIM-7 since F-15 at that time score multiple kills with the AIM-7. But back in 1992 the F-16 was already carrying the AIM-120 and score its first AA kill in the Gulf War.
So to sum up. The viper at that time carried the AIM-9 , AIM-7, and the AIM-120 (early versions)
This is simply wrong. The first AIM-120 were carried by F-15s just after ODS during maintaining the NO FLY ZONE. Regardless this first AIM-120 kill was achieved by F-16.
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This is simply wrong. The first AIM-120 were carried by F-15s just after ODS during maintaining the NO FLY ZONE. Regardless this first AIM-120 kill was achieved by F-16.
What’s wrong with my post?
I’m not saying nothing about the AIM-120 on the eagle. I’m just saying that the eagle at that time carried also the AIM-7.
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What’s wrong with my post?
I’m not saying nothing about the AIM-120 on the eagle. I’m just saying that the eagle at that time carried also the AIM-7.
Was not ‘also’. In USAF only F-15 (and older F-4s) could carry AIM-7 and US Navy F/A-18. F-16 could not.
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I always thaught only ANG F-16s were able to carry Sparow.
That is from Wikipedia isn’t it? I question some of those Guard units were there.
Only aware of 2 ANG units going out there (SCANG and NYANG) ……both used Big tail Block 10s.
That list for example has 159th TFS (FANG) which did operate ADFs at one point…but no mention of any deployment in their various history’s.
The 163rd apparently didn’t receive F-16s till Oct 1991 http://www.f-16.net/units_article24.html - again no history
174th A-7Ds to Block 30s end 1991 and no history
182th No history of DS deployment
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ANG Sparows on F-16 is just general knowledge I have for decades.
Yep, squadron list is from wiki. It can be wrong.
You know zilion times more about F-16 for sure, I am not arguing.Nice article about ADF (270 airframes February 1989-1992)
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article14.htmlI can just suggest campaign wise. If Krause wants them, he can add some Sparrows to F-16A stockpile. But it is perhaps better to link all F-16s to fighter-bomber role (historic accuracy) and add just one F-16 squadron with SEAD (rest for F-4). But for game purpose Sparows and Shrikes/ Harms would be cool….?
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No F-16’s deployed to Desert Storm were carrying the AIM-7. These were all AIM-9 only. Indeed only the ADF version at the time was able to carry the Sparrow and none of these units deployed to Desert Storm.
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As someone who has played the campaign a lot and loves the theatre, I say just remove AMRAAM all together for a ODS campaign. The F-16 operated Air to Ground and it should be kept doing that in the campaign
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I agree removing Amraams is essential and it has solely already huge impact on gemeplay.
On the other hand…. I guess removing ARHs do not make F-16 pure AG. If it is still multirole (all default F16 flags, settings, AI rules), ATO will generate CAPs and SWEEPS with heaters (just like with MiG-21s, F-5s etc.)
This is limit of simulation and perhaps not so easy to finetune. When F-16 drops her MK-84, it is true beast…and guys inside are Viper drivers, they should be agressive
But there is some discipline since F3.0 times. ATO generated AG sorties used to have the main waypoint no. 3 (it was Bomb+“target”, CAS, S&D, Interdiction, SEAD) and other waypoints were ESCORT (besides takeoff+land). These flights were nice, patient and calm, did not attack AN-24s etc. But they were often shoot from behind by agressive defenders during long missions, especialy right before final landing
So I always changed my own hand tweaked packages to CAP in turning points to be more active, and it made big difference.Ok, F4 especialy BMS is different beast, but I had often similar experience (AG flights calmly following waypoints + some lazy dodging when under fire)…
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So apparently the ANG F-16 did carry Sparrows but did not partake Desert Storm, all the sparrow shots were done by F-15. I guess my source should be pretty much reliable
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So apparently the ANG F-16 did carry Sparrows but did not partake Desert Storm, all the sparrow shots were done by F-15. I guess my source should be pretty much reliable
Except one AIM-7 kill.
https://www.rjlee.org/air/ds-aakill/DATE CALLSIGN UNIT CREW AIRCRAFT SERIAL TARGET ORDNANCE
17 Jan 1991 QUICKSAND 62 VFA-81 Nick “Mongo” Mongillo F/A-18C 163502 F-7B Fishbed AIM-7Maybe F-14s launched AIM-7 but I never heard about such thing.
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When F-16 drops her MK-84, it is true beast….and guys inside are Viper drivers, they should be agressive
The guys inside all got lengthy briefings about engaging only where necessary for self defence, and to not take any undue risks. One guy got sent home for doing a strafing run against a ground target, under that instruction.
