FAC(A) vg server campaign "on station" hours tasking updates
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VMA-255 https://buzzaldrin89.wixsite.com/vma255 has a FAC(A) on station on the VG veterans gaming server https://veterans-gaming.com/index.php?/forums/topic/6629-falcon-bms-4-public-server/, tasking will be posted here and updated everytime there is a fragged FAC(A), the hour posted belongs to the day this thread OP was last edited, so no misunderstandings:
UP TO DATE: FAC(A) tasking brief from time of edition of this OP:
- FAC(A) on station NORTH-WEST of DMZ between 0800z to 2000z GMT+00
- AV-8B II (non-radar-equipped version) from VMA-255 out of OSAN
- CHECK IN frequency: UHF 309.000
- CONTACT POINT: n3732354e12724295 or bullseye 180 30
- CALLSIGN: setter11
- IDM: 19
- AUTHENTICATION WORD: VULCANIZED
- Laser designator pod equipped
- Altimeter on station: 2992
UPDATE: ENEMY TROOPS IN CONTACT; MANDUMI AIRBASE UNDER ATTACK
Basic tutorial for CAS pilots checking in:
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check in the FAC(A) frequency only when close to 10 miles from contact point, if you contact too soon, the RADIO may be out of range and UNREADABLE unable to understand
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get ready to challenge the authentication and be challenged back. Authentication procedure example is: authenticate word for this example is “jupiter”; you say to the FAC(A) pilot “PAPA, TANGO”, the FAC(A) pilot has to correctly answer “INDIA”, because that is the letter between the 2 letters you just said. The FAC(A) pilot will challenge your authentication also.
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At this point the CAS pilot has to declare what he comfortable with doing, if he is CAS qualified he should just do a normal check-in, if you are not CAS qualified and want to use simpler instructions then declare that at this point.
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After authentication the FAC(A) pilot will give you the QNH for this control, the unit of measure (that is a random common easy to understand object or map reference to be used as a “meterstick”, usually worldwide most common used is “football field” or “soccer field” because it is a very easy to recognize 100 yards in lenght." You then go for normal Check in if CAS qualified
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CAS check in:
- MISSION NUMBER
- NUMBER AND TYPES OF AIRCRAFT
- POSITION AND ALTITUDE:
- ORDNANCE: LASER CODE:
- PLAYTIME: (how much time before bingo do you expect, in hours, minutes)
- CAPABILITIES: (are you CAS qualified? do you want to use simplified bullseye calls instead of coordinates?
- ABORT CODE: (this is the word that the FAC(A) has to use if calling you to ABORT so that you can be sure it is the FAC(A) calling you and not some enemy saboteur in the same frequency.) IDM: this is the number of you IDM, my FAC(A) IDM will usually be 19, you have to tell me yours so I can spot in IDM and you have to have your A-A DATALINK in UHF, and if you want to receive DATA MARKPOINTS you need to have it correctly set to XMIT 10 and use the same radio UHF)
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The FAC(A) pilot will give you a KEYHOLE or ECHO POINT coordinate and and that is a point that will be a temporary special bullseye for the mission, and your orbit points, and points of interest for IP push will be given as “ALPHA 10” which means “NORTH of ECHOPOINT 10 miles distance”; ALPHA for pure NORTH, BRAVO for pure EAST, CHARLIE for pure SOUTH, DELTA for pure WEST. It can easily also be “135 20” which is exactly like a normal bullseye call but relative to the echo point.
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You will be directed to a holding or orbit point for example “PROCEED TO CHARLIE 10 blocks 20 to 22 and report established on orbit/racetrack EAST/WEST” you should call when you are established in that point
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Situation report will follow where teh FAC(A) pilot will provide broad perspective from macro to micro, from big picture to small picture to the main objectives for that mission
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When its time for GAMEPLAN you need to be ready to type down coordinates and weapon parameters that may or may not be necessary. The FAC(A) pilot may want to confirm you understood, or punched in the correct parameters by requesting a read-back
GAMEPLAN:
- TYPE: (1 means the FAC(A) has to fly alongside you close by and confirm your actions visually besides complete control, 2 means a complete control but without the requirement of watching you visually from the IP to PICKLE, 3 is a very broad control, where the FAC(A) may not be in visual contact of you or the target area, this is used sometimes for SHOW OF FORCE supersonic passes at low altitude to scare away enemy forces or to boost morale of friendly troops)
- BOMBS ON: Bombs On Coordinate BOC, or Bombs On Target. (If BOC do NOT press TMS UP to “lock on” to target. This is a common mistake even among experienced pilots, do NOT press TMS UP if using BOC, your sensor may be locking on to a wrong target, and you will fail the bombing run, the coordinates are carefully chosen for MAXIMUM EFFECT and that also means putting the coordinate sometimes slightly offset so your bomb may damage/destroy nearby targets. BOT Bomb On Target means you have to “lock on” and confirm visually with FAC(A) that you are on the right TGT
- WEAPON TYPE: (1xmk82 or whichever example 2xMK77 which means 2 NAPALMS either PAIR or RIPPLE
- ARMING DELAY: if necessary
- FUZE TYPE: if necessary
- BURST ALTITUDE: if necessary
- RIPPLE QUANTITY: (if necessary)
- RIPPLE DISTANCE: (if necessary)
- BLOCKS: 20 to 22 for example, means you must not fly lower than ANGELS 20 or higher than ANGELS 22
- FAC(A) pilot will tell you his position while you are attacking, example: SETTER11 will be on blocks 16 to 18 monitor EAST of tgt area
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9 LINE:
1. IP (position of the IP and the heading you are to exit the IP at) example: "BRAVO 20 blocks 20 to 25 2. HEADING: 090 plus 10" (plus 10 means you can choose a heading between 090 plus 10 degrees, that means from 090 to 100 azimuth, but NEVER outside of that 3. DISTANCE: (distance from IP to tgt) 4. ELEVATION: MSL of tgt 5. DESCRIPTION: may include number of tgts and types 6. LOCATION: example: NORTH 3836488 EAST 12851306, you have to punch this into your target point in your system. SYSTEM READBACK means you have to READ BACK from what is INSERTED in your SYSTEM, so the FAC(A) can confirm your guidance computer has the correct coordinate. 7. TYPE MARKING: FAC(A) will tell you what he can use to mark the target if you request it: normally always INFRARED & LASER, sometimes also a BOMB or NAPALM, WillyPete 8. FRIENDLIES: where you can expect friendlies to be at, so you can make a mental note where in an emergency you must not drop anything including drop tanks, or where, in case of emergency you can eject or fly tree level to avoid an enemy attack 9. EGRESS: this will be a critical instruction where and how to exit the attack after pickle, either exit left right, and to what point at what altitude blocks, EXAMPLE: "EGRESS HOOK RIGHT TO ORBIT on CHARLIE 10 blocks 20 to 25"
- REMARKS & RESTRICTIONS: there will be some repetition of some critical parameters maybe final attack heading, your speed you need to fly at usually a boundary such as “high subsonic, minimum mach 0.75” TTT or TOT, Time To Target is a common instruction and if FAC(A) pilot says “1 min to PUSH” that means in 1 minute you should start your PUSH for the IP, which means you fly to the IP at that point in a trajectory that allows you to enter the IP at the instructed heading. WX weather information will be detailed if available at the target area to tell you what you can expect ti be easy to see the target or a cloud base may make it difficult
REMARKS:
1. FINAL ATTACK HEADING; SPEED 2. HAZARDS 3. BLOCKS and location of FAC(A) 4. TIME TO TARGET or TIME ON TARGET 5. WX WEATHER
- RESTRICTIONS (from above section) this is a critical piece of information which will include a minimum floor for your attack, and may include a imaginary line that you must not cross for example: “stay clear of EAST WEST line 10 miles SOUTH of target coordinates”
- After all this after you call “PUSHING for IP” and after you are calling “OVER IP heading XXX” you will be:
- CLEARED IN = this means you are cleared to fly to attack but does NOT mean cleared to FIRE. Clearance to fire means clearance HOT, and that may only be given after a solid visual confirmation of the targets.
- After visual confirmation (depending on type of control) you will be cleared HOT, that means weapons ARMED and you should call when you are about 10 seconds to pickle by saying “10 seconds” on the RADIO, FAC(A) should respond something like “Copy 10 seconds” and after you call “pickle, out over left/right side to EGRESS POINT” the FAC(A) should answer something similar to “Copy pickle, SETTER11 is monitoring” so you know the FAC(A) will be doing the job of recce confirming you got impacts and the effects of the impacts.
- The CAS pilot does not have authority to re-attack, or even maneuver in a way for a re-attack without being ordered to, that is a confusion that some may be tempted to do, but that will put the CAS pilot in danger, and the FAC(A) pilot in danger, and possibly ground troops in danger, do not confuse FAC(A) as an open restaurant menu where you order what you want, the objective here is to 1st of all guarantee safety of all friendlies, just because you think you saw the target hit, you have to confirm with the FAC(A) Bomb Damage Assessment who will have the proper time and safety distance to look carefully and take note of what happened, the CAS pilot should only be concerned with Egressing safely and staying out of danger.
- This is a simplified tutorial, but should be enough to start, and there is more to look out for on other websites if you want to look further into it.
It is not vitally important if anyone joins the FAC(A) mission or not, about 90% of the behind the scenes work of the FAC(A) is already complete before anyone joins, so my training is already complete regardless if anyone joins or not, it can take 30 minutes just to become ready to support and control CAS pilots who check in, there is a heavy workload to make the attacks possible with some degree of safety and control, the result is a very efficient attack where the CAS pilot does not have to worry alone about safety, and does not have to worry or waste time trying to scan the target area to confirm if the target is hit or not. This is a team effort, but the the control and responsibility is on the FAC(A) side.
This is a passive mission, nobody is forced to join it of course, it should not interfere with any other mission, even though it is very important that CAP Air-To-Air pilots help defend the target area to help make it possible for both the CAS and FAC(A), and it is also important for SEAD pilots to help the target area by suppressing SAM sites.
But not OBLIGATORY. Everyone has to decide for themselves if they want to support or not.
P.S.: try not to use the words “REPEAT”, use “SAY AGAIN” or “READ AGAIN”, or “CALL AGAIN”, repeat is used by artillery commanders to repeat the same artillery attack, and if you want to use realistic RADIO words, avoid using “REPEAT”. if ordered to re-attack, that will be “re-attack”, if that is ordered.
P.S. II : the first suggestion before trying out those procedures would be to go ahead and practice on your own how well you can manipulate reference points on your HSD, pushing them to a different coordinate in-flight. The better you are at manipulating coordinates in-flight, the easier everything else becomes. It is important to be well trained at the different meanings of where to change coordinates, and how to check if they are good or not, all in the INS traning manual about steerpoint and steerpoint manipulation. A suggestion for you would be to have a free reference point on your HSD DTC saved pre-flight, so in your ramp start you can go ahead and enter the new coordinates for that reference point using the CONTACT POINT coordinates and inserting them via the DEST page on your DED. That way you can see in your HSD when you can start to contact the FAC(A). After a succesful check-in, you should enter new coordinates for that reference point using the ECHO POINT coordinates now. Now you should have a visual reference on your HSD of where your ECHO POINT is.
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updated new session starting 1850z
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updated new session starting 1850z
**Hey there! I’m the host of the VG BMS 24/7 Public COOP (PvE) KTO Campaign Server
I’m not sure that these forums here are best suited for such hourly updates.**
Aside from our own Discord channel, a lot of pilots will meet up and schedule flights on different servers through the F4BMS Ready Room Discord, and then move to and plan a flight or package(s) on a server where they will recon, plan, schedule, and execute missions. Our server provides AWACS to flights even when no AWACS flights are active due to the casual and “come-as-you-are” public nature of our server, meaning that in-operation intel is available to flights without any need for FAC(A), or even a tasked AWACS in the AO.
If you would like to provide this service to a package, it would be best to find some folks who are willing to learn and understand it, and participate. A post or guide, or reference to any manual or section of the manual(s) that describe this operation, and what pilots could be expected to do to participate. I’m not sure if you assume the use of FAC(A) is something we train in on the VG BMS Campaign Server, but it is not. Not sure about the proper mil-sim VFW communities dedicated to realism and simulation in BMS, but the VG Server is the most basic entry level multiplayer COOP server in BMS by design, so new pilots have a place to start out if they want, before continuing with casual BMS or moving on to a proper mil-sim VFW group.
I’ve asked you for information in Discord, private messages here on the site, and now again in this forum post. RSVP re. dedicated Ops on my server. I’m interested in this FAC(A) aspect, I think it could make for a fun and interactive layer for those who’d like to participate, but I’m all tumbleweeds right now and just hoping for a little enlightenment on the core concept, and also how it applies to a BMS Campaign such as ours. Like I said, I’ve asked around and nobody seems to know what this is, and what it entails, or where I can learn more. Spent 20 minutes on the wikipedia page as I’m not ex-IRL jet pilot, and came up empty in BMS manuals searches. Probably much easier for you to just brief and/or train us here.
Not sure if you are a proper ex-pilot in an Air Force, but as a casual server, there are plenty of IRL SOP’s and concepts that we do not simulate for reasons ranging from lack of knowledge/experience to the fact that we are a casual server where flights/packages are welcome to fly as loose or strict with regards to mil-sim IRL SOP’s as they want. Of those regulars, I’ve not gotten any feedback on how we’d interact with an FAC(A), and so I’m asking you again.
Please try not to repudiate us for not understanding your method, and please take a second to assume we are trained BMS pilots, many with a decade or more of sim/BMS experience, and willing to learn something cool and new if you’re willing to provide information that we can understand, rather than assuming we are already trained/briefed on your FAC(A) method, or assuming that because we don’t know how/what to expect from you, that we are somehow lacking in essential training or knowledge in this sim we’ve flown and trained in (some of us) more than ten years.
Before you to assume that we are an unfriendly lot, or that the regulars in the BMS Community or on the VG BMS Server are unfriendly and unwelcoming, you might take the initiative to explain what you are doing, how you are doing it, and what we can do to participate (or to kindly let you know when we are not interested in participating, i.e. training a friend, going out with a few folks for a specific pre-planned op, etc.).
Just don’t go off all half-cocked because one or two pilots do not understand this thing that you haven’t explained or provided any learning materials for, or references to learning materials, and craft up some fancy guide if none exists - you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
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**Hey there! I’m the host of the VG BMS 24/7 Public COOP (PvE) KTO Campaign Server
I’m not sure that these forums here are best suited for such hourly updates.**
Aside from our own Discord channel, a lot of pilots will meet up and schedule flights on different servers through the F4BMS Ready Room Discord, and then move to and plan a flight or package(s) on a server where they will recon, plan, schedule, and execute missions. Our server provides AWACS to flights even when no AWACS flights are active due to the casual and “come-as-you-are” public nature of our server, meaning that in-operation intel is available to flights without any need for FAC(A), or even a tasked AWACS in the AO.
If you would like to provide this service to a package, it would be best to find some folks who are willing to learn and understand it, and participate. A post or guide, or reference to any manual or section of the manual(s) that describe this operation, and what pilots could be expected to do to participate. I’m not sure if you assume the use of FAC(A) is something we train in on the VG BMS Campaign Server, but it is not. Not sure about the proper mil-sim VFW communities dedicated to realism and simulation in BMS, but the VG Server is the most basic entry level multiplayer COOP server in BMS by design, so new pilots have a place to start out if they want, before continuing with casual BMS or moving on to a proper mil-sim VFW group.
I’ve asked you for information in Discord, private messages here on the site, and now again in this forum post. RSVP re. dedicated Ops on my server. I’m interested in this FAC(A) aspect, I think it could make for a fun and interactive layer for those who’d like to participate, but I’m all tumbleweeds right now and just hoping for a little enlightenment on the core concept, and also how it applies to a BMS Campaign such as ours. Like I said, I’ve asked around and nobody seems to know what this is, and what it entails, or where I can learn more. Spent 20 minutes on the wikipedia page as I’m not ex-IRL jet pilot, and came up empty in BMS manuals searches. Probably much easier for you to just brief and/or train us here.
Not sure if you are a proper ex-pilot in an Air Force, but as a casual server, there are plenty of IRL SOP’s and concepts that we do not simulate for reasons ranging from lack of knowledge/experience to the fact that we are a casual server where flights/packages are welcome to fly as loose or strict with regards to mil-sim IRL SOP’s as they want. Of those regulars, I’ve not gotten any feedback on how we’d interact with an FAC(A), and so I’m asking you again.
Please try not to repudiate us for not understanding your method, and please take a second to assume we are trained BMS pilots, many with a decade or more of sim/BMS experience, and willing to learn something cool and new if you’re willing to provide information that we can understand, rather than assuming we are already trained/briefed on your FAC(A) method, or assuming that because we don’t know how/what to expect from you, that we are somehow lacking in essential training or knowledge in this sim we’ve flown and trained in (some of us) more than ten years.
Before you to assume that we are an unfriendly lot, or that the regulars in the BMS Community or on the VG BMS Server are unfriendly and unwelcoming, you might take the initiative to explain what you are doing, how you are doing it, and what we can do to participate (or to kindly let you know when we are not interested in participating, i.e. training a friend, going out with a few folks for a specific pre-planned op, etc.).
Just don’t go off all half-cocked because one or two pilots do not understand this thing that you haven’t explained or provided any learning materials for, or references to learning materials, and craft up some fancy guide if none exists - you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
You would have to be mistaking me for somebody else, every single time this question was raised I have been explicit about it:
tha FAC(A) pilot adapts to the CAS pilot training type.
Not the other way around.
That is why pilots have to declare from the beginning of contact if they are CAS qualified or not, or just say what they have experience doing, and the FAC(A) pilot is supposed to adapt to that.
It is easy to adapt to a simpler level.
In the beginning I tried talking in very simple terms to joining pilots and I was immediately attacked for that in a public discord, for not “following correct procedures”.
So now I am not pretending to be making some very simple briefings, I will just put a briefing of what I will be available, codeword etc, and thats it.
CAS pilots checking in have the responsibility to declare what they are experienced in doing and what they can follow, if they have experience with bomb-on-coordinates, or if they need to be talked-to with bullseye calls.
I have never once in BMS complained about anyone’s training, what I have experienced is catch-22: if I try to make it easier to check-in CAS pilots, I risk having someone attacking me in some discord about “not following the 12 steps of FAC(A)”, and if I try to present a simple yet complete briefing of the FAC(A) mission, I risk people not joining for some unfounded “fear of being criticised for not knowing all the details”.
Exactly like in real life, the FAC(A) or JTAC person has to adapt to whatever pilot is checking in. Not every pilot has the same training and that responsibility is on the CAS pilot to explain what he is comfortable with, and for the FAC(A) pilot to adapt to that.
There is no excuse for a CAS pilot not to join if he wants to attack ground targets in that FAC(A) area of responsibility and control, and not excuse for the FAC(A) pilot whoever he is not to adapt to whichever training the checking in CAS pilot has.
But the CAS pilot has to declare honestly what he is comforable with right from the beginning.The only reason for a FAC(A) pilot to reject a CAS pilot is if the CAS pilot is clearly not following the most important procedures which are respecting the clearances IN, and then HOT, or not Egressing correctly and immediately after the pickle.
If the CAS pilot is not being safe, regardless of training level, then the FAC(A) pilot has to abort the mission.
There was never any restriction to joining my FAC(A) missions as far as what your training level is or what you are comfortable with doing.
I’ll be posting more of my briefings soon.
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Hi Block60:
I think the host is telling you that you’re being too demanding for the casual culture over there. IMO instead of telling those guys what “there is no excuse for” this or that you could offer FAC(A) utilization training and operations scheduling. But in order for that to be appreciated with the VG group – and therefore utilized – you’ll have better luck if you can find a tone that matches their culture.
When I read your original post… well I think it has a military tone to it. That’s perfectly fine if that’s agreed to and you can ask folks to agree to it casual, then dive into the role with that no-nonsense military “this is how it is” sort of tone as folks get comfortable with your program and the experience you are trying to provide. Honestly, it sounds like a tone of fun but you just jumped the gun and didn’t get a slice of the community to agree to the tone and level of realism you were going for.
In the military, we’ve gone to boot camp, etc. Got used to that tone, and I for one didn’t think nothing of watching NCOs telling the commissioned how it was going to be inside the NCOs wheelhouse (i.e. the firing range). It’s the culture in the military and no one gives it a second thought, but that’s not the VG culture even though they are milsimming. I hope that makes sense?
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Hi Block60:
I think the host is telling you that you’re being too demanding for the casual culture over there. IMO instead of telling those guys what “there is no excuse for” this or that you could offer FAC(A) utilization training and operations scheduling. But in order for that to be appreciated with the VG group – and therefore utilized – you’ll have better luck if you can find a tone that matches their culture.
When I read your original post… well I think it has a military tone to it. That’s perfectly fine if that’s agreed to and you can ask folks to agree to it casual, then dive into the role with that no-nonsense military “this is how it is” sort of tone as folks get comfortable with your program and the experience you are trying to provide. Honestly, it sounds like a tone of fun but you just jumped the gun and didn’t get a slice of the community to agree to the tone and level of realism you were going for.
In the military, we’ve gone to boot camp, etc. Got used to that tone, and I for one didn’t think nothing of watching NCOs telling the commissioned how it was going to be inside the NCOs wheelhouse (i.e. the firing range). It’s the culture in the military and no one gives it a second thought, but that’s not the VG culture even though they are milsimming. I hope that makes sense?
I wouldn’t know how to answer because from my point of view, no tone was implied. I try to write the posts in a way as simple as possible, and that is the intention. I don’t know anything about culture matching, all I know is about going on BMS missions, and majority of people who joined as CAS have had positive experience, that is all I can say.
I can’t possibly guess how each person will interpret the posts, they are meant to be as simple and as bland as possible.
Its been my experience that it is better to stick to 1 way of doing things instead of trying to please everyone, which is impossible.
I have been answering questions made to me about this, with as much attention as I can provide, I never saw any quick tutorial for CAS pilots about how to join a FAC mission posted here like this, so I tried to help by making one, but as far as tone goes, I have no way to guess what kind of tone this person or that person is going to perceive.
This is a passive mission, I’m not asking anyone to join, what I am doing is making it available for those who may want to integrate into this pure teamwork mission.
If you read my post again you will see that the “no excuse” part was saying: there is no excuse to be worried about procedures, its up to the CAS pilot to tell the FAC pilot what kind of instructions to go with, simpler or the common FAC/CAS procedures. What was meant by that was to let the CAS pilots know they don’t need to worry if they want to join, its up to them.
What I can tell you is that a few pilots who have joined, instead of saying from the beginning that they only want some bullseye calls to targets and some directions, they become tempted to execute the common FAC/CAS procedures and thats fine too, but still try to do it without some level of practice which then makes the mission staggered and sparse where some procedures or items are executed, but then some are forgotten or not expected by the CAS pilot. Which then means I have to revert to bullseye calls and simple directions, and this could be avoided by asking for directions of what to do, or just ask for simpler directions, which is never a problem.
The only objectives in these missions are in this order:
1 - Safety of friendlies involved
2 - Destroy the enemie forces in support of ground forces
3 - If possible do it with the best procedures which makes it easier and quickerDoing things by the book is not the most important aspect. If a CAS pilot knows all the procedures but fails to act safe in the egress or making safe calls it won’t work and the mission will be aborted. Safety first.
I hope this also makes sense.
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from my point of view, no tone was implied. I try to write the posts in a way as simple as possible, and that is the intention. I don’t know anything about culture matching,
Well when I go to funeral I don’t quite act the same way as when I go to Judas Priest concert. I sort of leave the hooting and hollering at home when I go to bury someone. It’s a poor fit. And when I go to Native American services I don’t try to impose on tribal members what I think is the correct attitude about the afterlife.
all I know is about going on BMS missions, and majority of people who joined as CAS have had positive experience, that is all I can say.
Well along the lines of what your experiencing I got brow beat a few years back for being “too enthusiastic” which I thought was unfair because all I was doing – in my mind – was offering additional ways and fun things to try to enjoy the sim even more. So when I saw your post, I thought this guy is a lot like me, he’s got great intentions and apparently it’s not being received very well. When that happened to me it sucked.
Your point that some folks – who try it – enjoy it – is great news! So I’d say the way to get more folks to try it and for a larger percentage to enjoy it – if that is part of your goal – is to re-evaluate the situation from top to bottom. Heck you ought to be doing that if you are some portion of the friction. That doesn’t mean you are in the wrong or others are in the right, it just means asking yourself what you can do to improve things.
So I’m going to leave it there. I wish only the best for VG and you. Good luck!
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Well when I go to funeral I don’t quite act the same way as when I go to Judas Priest concert. I sort of leave the hooting and hollering at home when I go to bury someone. It’s a poor fit. And when I go to Native American services I don’t try to impose on tribal members what I think is the correct attitude about the afterlife.
Well along the lines of what your experiencing I got brow beat a few years back for being “too enthusiastic” which I thought was unfair because all I was doing – in my mind – was offering additional ways and fun things to try to enjoy the sim even more. So when I saw your post, I thought this guy is a lot like me, he’s got great intentions and apparently it’s not being received very well. When that happened to me it sucked.
Your point that some folks – who try it – enjoy it – is great news! So I’d say the way to get more folks to try it and for a larger percentage to enjoy it – if that is part of your goal – is to re-evaluate the situation from top to bottom. Heck you ought to be doing that if you are some portion of the friction. That doesn’t mean you are in the wrong or others are in the right, it just means asking yourself what you can do to improve things.
So I’m going to leave it there. I wish only the best for VG and you. Good luck!
I don’t believe I am part of any friction, I really don’t understand where that comes from, this s not a public appearance by anyone, we are talking about forum posts, I can not control what tone is going to be perceived, its up to those reading to be mature enough not to jump to any major serious conclusions, if you are deriving militaristic or whatever tones, I can’t do anything about that, same way as I don’t expect others to change their tones in any respect.
As far as reevaluate goes, I don’t see why, never had anyone who checked in to my FAC(A) complain about anything or not having a great time, going to a public discord to hassle about non-existing problems such as being “too nice” or “too simple” by not assuming you are an expert doesn’t really count.
BMS has a multitude of possible missions to fly, I am not here to convice or advertise for CAS/FAC(A) missions, there are dozens of possible missions to fly, what I have simply done from the begginning has been to post short briefings just in case anyone wants to coordinate and take advantage.
Just like in real life, a FAC(A) pilot may receive a checking-in pilot who was not planning to be part of the mission but who simply is returning from a strike or some other mission and can be useful in using his remaining leftover bomb supporting ground forces.
I say again: I don’t understand part of what you are saying because I really don’t detect this “friction”. Its just not something that crosses my mind.
I will continue what I am doing which is simply to do the missions, and publish a briefing of when I will do it, with the elements the briefing requires: date and time, contact point, uhf frequency, callsign, check-in codeword, IDM, tgp capabilities.
Why not try it out, and join a FAC(A) mission? Cheers
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For what it’s worth Block60, I like your offer of realistic FAC(A) control. When I get around to flying during one of your VUL’s i’ll definitely check in for some CAS.