AGM-88 question.
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I was flying DCS and saw a SA-15 shoot down a HARM but have never seen that happen in Falcon. Is it even possible in Falcon for a SAM to shoot one down?
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no
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Is it an BMS engine limitation that might get added in down the road somewhere?
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Is it an BMS engine limitation…
Yes.
… that might get added in down the road somewhere?
Dont hold your breath.
This capacity of russian SAMs is well advertised, but not much is known on it. Plus it could induce a lot of bugs and unwanted behaviours.
So before doing that, we would better try to improve SAM emission and launch tactics, and interconnection search radars - SAM sites. (ie : real IADS).
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Better SAM tactics would add alot more to Falcon than SAM’s being able to down a HARM.
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Maybe interesting to this topic, found this video among my favorited. At 3:30 it shows an (upgraded version of the) SA-3 engaging a 9F841 Saman target drone.
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The description of the SA-15 says it is capable of shooting down short-range ballistic threats (Anti-Munitions), and cruise missiles. Maybe this is where they got this capability from.
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Better SAM tactics would add alot more to Falcon than SAM’s being able to down a HARM.
+1
IADS and EMCON would be good enough for the SAM, no need for the hard kill of HARMs
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IADS and EMCON would be good enough for the SAM, no need for the hard kill of HARMs
What do you mean by ‘EMCON’ - radio silence? By the tracking radars - yes, but not by the acquisition ones, plus there is a INS/GPS guidance (+ ‘radar turn off protection’) onboard the HARM so ‘blip’ of radio emission is enough to guide on
For a static system radar discipline is crucial, movers though are more flexible 
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@mookar:
What do you mean by ‘EMCON’ - radio silence? By the tracking radars - yes, but not by the acquisition ones, plus there is a INS/GPS guidance (+ ‘radar turn off protection’) onboard the HARM so ‘blip’ of radio emission is enough to guide on
a blip is not really as accurate. Plus it depends which HARM you mean…. comes down to which F-16 is being modelled.
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Even if we assume perfect HARM GPS accuracy, the angular accuracy + map accuracy (considering very small bumbs and hills and ditches) can not be accurate enough to guarantee 100% kill rate on INS launches. ==> Even modelling EMCON and somewhat worse INS shots would make the SAM hunting much more interesting. Visual spotting + bombs would become more frequent.
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So before doing that, we would better try to improve SAM emission and launch tactics, and interconnection search radars - SAM sites. (ie : real IADS).
+1
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Once a SAM site turns off it’s radar. the SAM is essentially stupid (except for newer fire and forget anti radiation SAMs/missiles). You have to model the AI for those kinds of tactics. The newer HARMS are an awesome weapon. They are completely FAF.
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/harm/
They even have a “self protect” mode which makes it VERY difficult for a SAM to bring one down. Continued evolution of the HARM is on going. Newer guidance systems with terrain mapping is being developed so as to identify the area of the SAM threat as well as the radar emitting vehicles used by the SAM (even when the SAM radar has been turned off).
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Once a SAM site turns off it’s radar. the SAM is essentially stupid (except for newer fire and forget anti radiation SAMs/missiles). You have to model the AI for those kinds of tactics. The newer HARMS are an awesome weapon. They are completely FAF.
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/harm/
They even have a “self protect” mode which makes it VERY difficult for a SAM to bring one down. Continued evolution of the HARM is on going. Newer guidance systems with terrain mapping is being developed so as to identify the area of the SAM threat as well as the radar emitting vehicles used by the SAM (even when the SAM radar has been turned off).
I wonder what era F-16s and what era combat environment people would prefer in BMS. I quite enjoy what little Ive seen of Molni’s 80’s theater, for all its flaws. Would be pretty cool flying it with a block 30 cockpit for example. I wonder if the majority of people would like that though, it seems like most people would prefer to fly CCIP’d jets in BMS, or maybe Desert Falcons.
This thought occurred to me because the same thing is relevant of the HARM, it comes down to which HARM, when.
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It could be great if counter presision guided munition capability could be implemented
