AGM-45 vs AGM-88
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Well the Nam Shrike had a range of 7-10 miles (probably more with altitude). Yes the SAM guy only had to switch the Fansong FCR off and the Shrike would lose the target.
There was about 12 different version of this missile….mainly due to the fact it was not programmable.
The bigger AGM-78 STARM came in to solve some of these issues…this was never on F-16s outside of test loadings AFAIK.
It had longer range than 10 nm even at very low alt.
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Nobody mentioned the main difference between them what is not modeled in any sim / game.
The AGM-88 is almost all aspect it can use even the side lobe of the target and can lock later on target. If you have an F-4G or HTS pod the platfrom can measure distance and launch AGM-88 which lock on closer the sidelobe of even on backlobe.The AGM-45 platfrom has to be in the main lobe of any radar.
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Would a Shrike even recognize a Flap Lid radar? (Not sure if/how these non-overlapping eras of technology are modelled in BMS… the same basic question came up recently wrt RWR capabilities in older a/c)
they do show on Shrike’s Table
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It had longer range than 10 nm even at very low alt.
Okay looks like the AGM-45B added a 20 second boost sustainer.
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Not sure I totally understand the gamesmanship at play, irl … given the missiles cost almost US$1M apiece … why not just callout “Magnum!” on the UHF band and see if they’re listening? either (a) they switch off their radar (or keep it off) and you keep your $1M magic bullet. or (b) they don’t turn off the radar, then you go ahead and launch.
They did exactly that (in Iraq I think).
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Yes, but modern SAMs (and 4.35) will detect and attack HARMs and other missiles in the air and attack them so it’s not as effective as a tactic as it was in 1991 and before as Frederf pointed out.
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They did exactly that (in Iraq I think).
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Yes, but modern SAMs (and 4.35) will detect and attack HARMs and other missiles in the air and attack them so it’s not as effective as a tactic as it was in 1991 and before as Frederf pointed out.
Even the stone age Dvina could detect the launch of AGM-45 and P-12 could track it. But it was pointless to shoot down a missile it was simply better choice to turn off the radar…
P-12 AGM-45 det. capability and probability.
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They turn off the lamp… and so making all the situation worse, i.e. more difficult to be managed for the poor SEAD/DEAD crew, out of ideas suddenly.
Well pointed out there, dear Molni. Thanks a lot for remembering that, it’s until too often underestimated.
It’s just from this moment that the real fun begins, you know.With best regards.
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Even the stone age Dvina could detect the launch of AGM-45 and P-12 could track it. But it was pointless to shoot down a missile it was simply better choice to turn off the radar…
P-12 AGM-45 det. capability and probability.
https://i.imgur.com/toh4enG.pngTrue, Molni , you too, Brother Jackal. An interesting sidenote to this is consideration of the era and the threat. In Nam you could fire a Shrike, and if they turn the SA-2 radar off you’ve achieved SEAD for your strike package. However, think about a more modern battlefield with Sam’s with optical tracking capability…
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True, Molni , you too, Brother Jackal. An interesting sidenote to this is consideration of the era and the threat. In Nam you could fire a Shrike, and if they turn the SA-2 radar off you’ve achieved SEAD for your strike package. However, think about a more modern battlefield with Sam’s with optical tracking capability…
Which reduces the system into single target channel…
…and because the RCG still needs guidance signals from the guidance station optical targeting does not make you immune to AGM-88…This is one of the most serious misconception about optical tracking.
BTW is is very hard to track optically even a fighter size plane above 20-30 km with old systems.
This is why go so early the S-125M while the S-75M3-OP Volhovs got only in '80s.
Because for long range engagement the Karat TV was useless even against B-52 size targets.
Especially if operations happened at night…