Shenyang J-8

Radium

Hello,

A little J-8 is coming! (in fact, rather long!)

Cheers,

Radium

LICENSE :

Third parties are not eligible to request this model to be used in their theater, unless the Chengdu J-8 is a part of an official BMS release.

CREDITS :

Radium …… Project owner
Topolo … Flight model
Lazystone… GTH (Great technical helper)!
Waveydave… GTS (Great Trouble Solver)!

Rybo

Looking good! The BMS team and we as end users are lucky to have talented folks like you further enhance our sim environment.

lazystone

Radium, say, … you must have several hundreds around the globe who are modelling for you,
otherwise I can’t explain your high WIP frequency.
(please note: the above is meant as a compliment)

So may I ask what’s the tris count for this model? :mrgreen:

Hint: 1rst post needs editing. (… unless the Chengdu J-7 …)

Cheers,
LS

Dee-Jay

Fair question. (Indeed, this is what had triggered some questions and investigations in the past with some other ppl and how we found that it as ripped models from other sim, and other sources) I will let Radium give you the answer

Stratos

Great work as always Radium…

Seeing this puppies, wondering If you can give a revamp to the Mirage III 3d model one day.

lazystone

@Dee-Jay:

Fair question. (Indeed, this is what had triggered some questions and investigations in the past with some other ppl and how we found that it as ripped models from other sim, and other sources) I will let Radium give you the answer

I already know the answer, Dee-Jay.

And my post was not meant in this direction, … that’s why I’ve placed the note.

I’m just really impressed by Radiums output.
… here an AC, there an AC, a “little” carrier in between, then another AC, … and so on.

Brilliant work.

Cheers,
LS

neystratiou

Great work again dear friend. BRAVO!!!
Keep on them.
Nikos.

Radium

hello,

Thank you all for your kind remarks.

In fact, this aircraft was really quick to make because most of her complex parts were made from J-7. In fact, gearsn pilot, and gears were same, which are, for the two last ones (engines and gears), the most complex parts to animate. So, This aircraft was just really quick to be made. 3D mesh is in fact 5% of the job.

Just to give you a quick chart from my experience, which is the average time spent on one model (it depends on models) :

3D mesh : 10%
Animations (DOF+Switch+slots) : 20%
Unwrapping : 15%
Texturing : 15%
LODs : 10%
Flight model : 20%
Parents and export : 10 %

J-7 was started long time ago, in fact, at the same time I started F-2A. Why? because I wanted to make a video from it, which F-2A destroying a squadron of J-7E. But, I never reached the production phase. So, all the J-7 was made, expect some minor stuff. Some devs could even testify that this model is really old in my BMS existence.

How much time did I spent on J-8 for now? Less than 20 hours, including a weekend… as I recycled many stuff from J-7.

Cheers,

Radium

Radium

Btw, tri count is 14,781. No need to have more.

lazystone

Thank’s for your post again, Radium.

Within your high output rate I feel the average time spent on one model
is not % but minutes.:mrgreen:

Cheers,
LS

Radium

@lazystone:

Thank’s for your post again, Radium.

Within your high output rate I feel the average time spent on one model
is not % but minutes.:mrgreen:

Cheers,http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/hat_3.gif
LS

Hey you know what, I am not that fast… This model is a bad example!

Usually, I am pretty slow… especially if I have to make everything from scratch.

The good stuff is that for this aircraft, researches were made, complex parts were made…

If I make for exemple (just as an exemple, don’t take this as “I will make it”), one MV-22… It would take months to make her!

Cheers,

Radium

lazystone

@Radium:

Hey you know what, I am not that fast… This model is a bad example!

Usually, I am pretty slow… especially if I have to make everything from scratch.

Yeah, I’ve seen your slowness when you did the carrier.

@Radium:

The good stuff is that for this aircraft, researches were made, complex parts were made…

Those damn researches can be quiet time expensive, especially for details of an AC.

@Radium:

If I make for exemple (just as an exemple, don’t take this as “I will make it”), one MV-22… It would take months to make her!

That’s exactly my point.
You would take a few months to make her, … a “normal” modeler would take one year +X. :mrgreen:

Please allow me one more question, Radium,
If you would make for example (just as an example, don’t take this as “you should make it”),
one MV-22…
… what do think (from your experience) would be your final tri count for LOD 0?

6 wheels, 2 engines, 2 propellers, 2 tails, the shape of fuselage, etc.
… I guess ~10000 more than the ~15000 for the J-8?

Cheers,
LS

Radium

@lazystone:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/blahblahblah.gif Yeah, I’ve seen your slowness when you did the carrier. http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/icon_crazy.gif http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/c045_zpsb8e45792.gif

Those damn researches can be quiet time expensive, especially for details of an AC.

That’s exactly my point.
You would take a few months to make her, … a “normal” modeler would take one year +X. :mrgreen:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/Hailsml.gif http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/Hailsml.gif http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/Hailsml.gif

Please allow me one more question, Radium,
If you would make for example (just as an example, don’t take this as “you should make it”),
one MV-22…
… what do think (from your experience) would be your final tri count for LOD 0?

6 wheels, 2 engines, 2 propellers, 2 tails, the shape of fuselage, etc.
… I guess ~10000 more than the ~15000 for the J-8?

Cheers,http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f82/lazystone/Smileys/hat_3.gif
LS

Thank your your comments.

I think, MV-22 would be something like 30,000 because you have to make a lot of foldings… A very complex model.

But the question is : as a dev, I devote myself to follow our regulations.

So, whatever happens, I won’t go further 30,000 tris.

Modelling for BMS is mainly a question of compromise. let me show you quickly. I made this example just now, for you. This is a school case.

This is the carter. But, you can do the same form, with different triangle levels.

So, you can virtually do everything you want.

Cheers,

Radium

lazystone

@Radium:

Thank your your comments.

I think, MV-22 would be something like 30,000 because you have to make a lot of foldings… A very complex model.

But the question is : as a dev, I devote myself to follow our regulations.

So, whatever happens, I won’t go further 30,000 tris.

Clear

@Radium:

Modelling for BMS is mainly a question of compromise. let me show you quickly. I made this example just now, for you. This is a school case.

http://i.imgur.com/3WEI0y5.jpg

This is the carter. But, you can do the same form, with different triangle levels.

So, you can virtually do everything you want.

That’s also clear.
Thank’s for the example you’ve made just for me, … wouldn’t have been neccessary. :oops::D

Those modeling compromises are IHMO less on a “simple” fighter jet, but way more
on a MV-22 … or even a TU-95 “bear”.

Will say those compromises for a TU-95 will make the fuselage for example way less
rounded and more edged to keep the 30000 max. tris, … compared to a fighter jet.

Anyway, thank’s for posting, Radium.

Cheers,
LS

Dee-Jay

@lazystone:

I already know the answer, Dee-Jay.

And my post was not meant in this direction, …

I know my friend … no need to explain.

It was just to cut any possible discussion coming from someone else … I well know Radium, he is a REAL friend.

What what you have to know … 1st, we have to admit that this guy is a machine (I saw him working in live via TeamViewer, in fact, he is teaching me (slowing) how do make basic models and is a GREAT teacher! ad he is really fast under Sketchup and 3DS …) … but the other point, is that Radium has worked on other projects before being hired by the team, and has a bunch of WIP models started previously and awaiting to come into the light … this days are come, and I am almost sure that he has several other good surprises for the next incoming 3 - 4 weeks!

We are lucky to have this guy with us

Bisous mon Radium … bosse pas trop, dort un peu aussi!

Dee-Jay

… just to show you …

I am happy to present you … Dee-Jay’s first 3D model: I am VERY proud of it!!!

then … two days after:

… and:

… then … one week after:

(hey guys, both towers, less than 950 tris )

…

All this thanks to Mr Radium. :bowd:

But now, I am in idle mode because I need to learn 3DS for unwrapping (Radium already showed me how to proceed but I need more practice) … and need also to learn 3DS tools to make the LOD with 3DS to keep the mapping on the model for the different LODs and destroyed models. But It takes time since 3DS is much more complex than Sketchup … and unfortunately, I do not have time and less opportunity to connect on TeamViewer with him.

… but we have allllllllllllll the time (time is not money here;) ). So we are not in a hurry … you know … 3 - 4 weeks.

lazystone

@Dee-Jay:

… 1st, we have to admit that this guy is a machine

I was thinking more about an alien with 10 arms, 5 brains and also 5 hearts.
But IMHO no doubt that he is not a “normal” modeler.

@Dee-Jay:

… just to show you …

I am happy to present you … Dee-Jay’s first 3D model: I am VERY proud of it!!!

Rightly, that’s a great start, Dee-Jay.
Not everybody is able to create even “simple” 3D models as you did.

Back in the day at ETG, there were 5-6 “3D modeler” in years not nearly able to accomplish
similar stuff, … not to mention such nice towers like you did.

@Dee-Jay:

But now, I am in idle mode because I need to learn 3DS for unwrapping (Radium already showed me how to proceed but I need more practice) … and need also to learn 3DS tools to make the LOD with 3DS to keep the mapping on the model for the different LODs and destroyed models. But It takes time since 3DS is much more complex than Sketchup … and unfortunately, I do not have time and less opportunity to connect on TeamViewer with him.

IMHO once you’ve learned basic 3d modelling, unwrapping and Waveys plugin in 3DS,
you’ll rarley to never look back to sketchup.

@Dee-Jay:

… but we have allllllllllllll the time (time is not money here;) ). So we are not in a hurry … you know … 3 - 4 weeks.

When I look at your screenshots and read your post, I see a prospective 3D modeler
with lot of passion.

So I have no doubt that this fact and the fact that Radium is teaching you,
will result in “really great stuff” finally.:mrgreen:

… both.

Cheers,
LS

Radium

Hello,

Guess what?

yesterday, I was in what I call a “working furry”, then, I unwrapped all the airplane, in something like 2 hours.

Then, when I was arranging something close to the engine output, I noticed that, all my UVW map vanished… I still can’t explained what happened.

After one hour trying to recover the file, I found that nothing could be done…

You know what? that’s gonna teach me to save my files much more frequently. But saving all the time also kills my rythm, which is something I really don’t like, especially when I am on a “working furry”, listening this kind of music to work quicker :

Caution, this kind of music might be extremely painful for maiden ears… But it reminds me nice souvenirs, long time ago… 新機動戦記ガンダムW, ガンダムX… (Gundam Wing, Gundam X)…

And it also reminds me it’s been to long I haven’t been back to Japan!

If some are interested, here is some glimpses of “my” Japan. Nothign electronic, like Akiba, Shinjuku or Harajuku.

Anyway, I will re-do everything tomorrow evening, I will be too busy with RL today.

Cheers,

Radium

Blu3wolf

Could you clarify the license that is offered in the OP? Specifically, the rights conferred by the license, and the criteria for having those rights?

Radium

@Blu3wolf:

Could you clarify the license that is offered in the OP? Specifically, the rights conferred by the license, and the criteria for having those rights?

Hello,

That is simple.

This J-8 will be a part of a BMS package.

It will have the same terms of use than any other BMS component.

Cheers,

Radium

Shenyang J-8

64

9.5k

19.4k

330.5k