AIM-120 Help
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I’m very new to Falcon BMS and i like flying the F-15C but i can’t seem to get my AIM-120’s to work. I can’t seem to get a lock on regarless of whether or not i’m using the Helmet Mounted Sight. Can anyone give me a simple guide on how to use the -120’s?
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This video by Krause may help. See link below:
Falcon 4 BMS Tutorials: FCR, AIM-120, AIM-9, HMCS, Dog Fight Mode – 46:24
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Thanks! That’ll definitely help.
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I haven’t really messed with flying anything other than the F-16, but I’m assuming the procedure is the same for other aircraft. (Are different aircraft radar systems modeled in BMS, or if you’re flying another aircraft does it act just like the F-16s radar?) The videos by Krause are very good to get you started. Once you get that down and want a little more detail about how the AIM-120 works and what all the firing cues mean, take a look at this article: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?150-AMRAAM-Pilot-Guide
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(Are different aircraft radar systems modeled in BMS, or if you’re flying another aircraft does it act just like the F-16s radar?)
No. All AC avionics behave like the F-16 ones. Radar ranges, RWR range, etc… might change, but no change in behaviour between ACs. And AFAIK, no plan on changing this, since coding and maintaining different avionics is quite a pain.
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I got it all figured out now. It’s amazing how easy things are when you know what to do. Thanks for your help guys!
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I got it all figured out now. It’s amazing how easy things are when you know what to do. Thanks for your help guys!
You going about it the right way. As a noob, you dont want to try and learn everything all at once. It took me over two months of practicing the original Falcon when it wasn first released. Everyone here has a similar story. With each new addition to the current fbms, more time learning any ofn its new features will take some time.
This is not your first peron shooter or WOW, this is a simulation. More detailed and emersive but more rewarding.
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Could someone guide me to any inet source about Amraam seeker range please?
DB value is for B version -56266 (feet? means 17 150 meters… about 17km)Is it possible to delay seeker activation in real?..for example if the pilot wants to prolong silent TWS guidance…?
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Could someone guide me to any inet source about Amraam seeker range please?
DB value is for B version -56266 (feet? means 17 150 meters… about 17km)Is it possible to delay seeker activation in real?..for example if the pilot wants to prolong silent TWS guidance…?
Set the RCS selection on the MFD (?SMS) from UNK (typical) to Small?
As I understand it, Large will turn on sooner (requires less support as the seeker can find the large RCS contact easier), so Small should require longer support until pitbull.
Edit:
@Spears:
The pilot can now select the RCS size on the AMRAAM’s SMS page. Options are small, medium, large or unknown. Note: you can select SMALL in the SMS page but doing so doesn’t make a lot of sense in Falcon 4 since this is apparently intended for targeting small RCS targets although it might be useful against helicopters. If you do choose small, MPRF ranges are reduced by around a third compared to MED.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?150-AMRAAM-Pilot-Guide
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is it possible to count both range values ( radar activation) for both settings ?- typical and small
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is it possible to count both range values ( radar activation) for both settings ?- typical and small
I don’t know.
Could you make a TE and just fly at a ‘drone’ while you have a live AIM-120 and see what the range is when you get ‘pit bull’ cueing? Then change the RCS selection and try it again?
There might be something in the DB values, but I have no idea where to look or what to look for.
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I found that the AIM-120B and C tends to go active at approximately 7 to 16nm when shot at by AI. You can do similar tests as Agave_Blue mentioned. I would roll the plane as a cue for when the seeker went active to check the distance on the ACMI tapes.
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wait, so the pitbull cue means the seeker went active? i always thought that it meant that i missed the intended target.
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wait, so the pitbull cue means the seeker went active? i always thought that it meant that i missed the intended target.
PITBULL : The Active radar Missile is at MPRF active.
In doubt, there is a reference doc in your install folder, “Joint brevity word publication (APP-07E).pdf”
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facepalm
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I like to turn off the pilot voice in setup so that I can determine when I can snip the missile myself. I found myself waiting for the computer to say pitbull as a crutch. The manual explains the letters so that it is hard to know what to look for on the Hud. I simplified it in my head to M=Husky and T=Pitbull to make it easy to know when I can snip the missile and not have to wait for the computer to say pitbull.
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I dunno, the letters make sense. A - time until active, M - time until MPRF switch, T - time until terminal.
I think associating T and pitbull would confuse me, being on a countdown timer I just automatically think “time until”.
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Set the RCS selection on the MFD (?SMS) from UNK (typical) to Small?
As I understand it, Large will turn on sooner (requires less support as the seeker can find the large RCS contact easier), so Small should require longer support until pitbull.
Agave,
negative on this one. With this selection, you can only influence how your FCR calculates the theor. value for H/MPRF. Since there is no backlink from the missile (not in this version) there is no way the F16 can know that the Slammer went active. It does calculate this point based on a formula and its current reads on the radar and the (known) flightpath of the missile.
This mean, with a larger RCS it is INDICATED that the slammer woke up earlier, and vice versa -> you cannot influence that time point same as you cannot influence anything on a slammer once it is off the rail.
stingray
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…. It does calculate this point based on a formula and its current reads on the radar and the (known) flightpath of the missile.
This mean, with a larger RCS it is INDICATED that the slammer woke up earlier, and vice versa -> you cannot influence that time point same as you cannot influence anything on a slammer once it is off the rail.
stingray
I guess my question would be: Is what you can see in the FCR/HUD symbology calculated differently if the radar RCS value is changed on the SMS page? IOW, are the FCR/HUD predicted/indicated values for MPRF/HPRF changed if you change the RCS selection?
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Agave,
negative on this one. With this selection, you can only influence how your FCR calculates the theor. value for H/MPRF. Since there is no backlink from the missile (not in this version) there is no way the F16 can know that the Slammer went active. It does calculate this point based on a formula and its current reads on the radar and the (known) flightpath of the missile.
This mean, with a larger RCS it is INDICATED that the slammer woke up earlier, and vice versa -> you cannot influence that time point same as you cannot influence anything on a slammer once it is off the rail.
stingray
Thanks for comment. This is interresting.
But I thaught Aim-120D does have the datalink.Ok, we have C version in BMS. Does it mean, it is impossible to change seeker activation range in RL? I know, there is no D-link in C version, but I mean preprogramming on the pylon.
If it is not adjustable…it means from F22 fired C Amraam would always warn bandit at 15km distance.
