Pinky Switch problem

[MailMan]

Since update 2 every time I click on my pinky switch my HSD goes to the 5 mile increment range, all of the osb menu options disappear and the work “ZOOM” shows up blinking under osb 3. I have found no way to stop it from doing this. Can the pinky button zoom function be turned off? I am using a cougar btw. Never had this problem before update 2. I use all DX functions to program my stick in the BMS keymapping.

[MailMan]

@airtex2019 That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

[Maru]

@MailMan same issue here, holding Pinkie Switch for more than 3 seconds does not deactivate it, short press neither. I wonder why this has come to be an issue now, Windows Update?

[Icarus]

@MailMan Doesn’t happen for me. Are you using the DX pinky ?

[tiag]

The pinky activates the L16 zoom and in the real acft it works by pressing and holding to enter the ZOOM mode (OSB labels disappear and the range is chosen to show all your flight members).

Are you using dx-shift on the pinky as well? @MailMan @Maru

[MailMan]

@tiag Yes, I have it programmed for pinky shift. So, what you are saying is it’s working the way it should work?

[Maru]

@tiag Yes so it seems.

Should pressing and holding also “exit” ZOOM mode? In my case, it doesn’t. At the moment, I just learned to live with it, thinking it was just me.

[airtex2019]

There are 3 pinky/shift callbacks you can choose… let me outline the scenarios

A) if you have enough buttons

and don’t use dx-shift layer for anything

this is the “as real as it gets” mode:

SimPinkySwitch -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 "STICK: PINKY SWITCH"

short-tap => activate zoom/expand on SOI MFD
long-press-and-hold => activate L16 zoom on HSD

B) you want to use dx-shift layer, but

with a different button (or key) than pinky-zoom

you can map the two callbacks separately:

SimPinkySwitch -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 "STICK: PINKY SWITCH"
SimHotasShift -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 "SIM: DX Shift"

C) you want to use pinky button for all three functions

this retains back-compat with the muscle-memory behavior we all have, while allowing the button to serve its new, third purpose:

SimHotasPinkyShift -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 "STICK: PINKY SWITCH (DX SHIFT)"

short-tap => activate zoom/expand on SOI MFD
long-press => activate dx-shift layer
double-tap-hold => activate L16 zoom on HSD

[airtex2019]

the time-delay to disambiguate short-vs-long is g_nHotasShiftQuickPressTimeLimit

I think the default is 200 (milliseconds) which is a bit tight… for the SimHotasPinkyShift double-tap-hold gesture, it means you have to (a) press, (b) release within 200ms, then (c) press again within 200ms, then (d) continue holding for longer than 200ms

I recommend raising this to 250 or 300

[Maru]

Thanks Airtex, I do have both assigned to the same button.

SimPinkySwitch -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “STICK: PINKY SWITCH”
SimHotasShift -1 0 0xFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “SIM: DX Shift”

That could be the cause of the issue here for me. I will use your C option from now on.

[airtex2019]

@Maru said in Pinky Switch problem:

have both assigned to the same button.

You can have multiple buttons/keys mapped to the same callback … but you can’t assign multiple callbacks to a single button.

I think it’s last-writer-wins (so, whichever appears lower down in the key file). But not sure, maybe it causes other problems.

[Maru]

@airtex2019 my bad, I think I only have the following on my pinky.

SimPinkySwitch -1 0 0X2F 0 0 0 1 “STICK: PINKY SWITCH”
SimHotasPinkyShift -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “STICK: PINKY SWITCH (DX SHIFT)”

In the AL, it appears as follows.

There is certainly an issue. I am following your 3 instructions, but the following marked instructions do not work.

short-tap => activate zoom/expand on SOI MFD - The short single tap already activates the L16 zoom on HSD and not EXP on SOI FCR, for instance.

long-press => activate dx-shift layer - This works, with combination of different buttons.

double-tap-hold => activate L16 zoom on HSD - Double tap without holding already activates the L16 zoom on HSD.

[airtex2019]

@Maru send me your key file … or paste it into https://controlc.com/

[edit: I got Maru sorted, off-thread … it was the classic problem of mismatched shift button mappings in hand-managed key file]

[tiag]

@airtex2019
Ty very much for this one Airtex, again!
@MailMan is that also your case?

[drtbkj]

I can repro this
With Stick:Pinky Switch(DX shift) set like @Maru above I get
short press- SOI MFD-FOV
hold- DX shift
double tab then hold- Link 16 display with ZOOM on top
I could not repro @MailMan 's HSD issue

[airtex2019]

@drtbkj said in Pinky Switch problem:

I can repro this
With Stick:Pinky Switch(DX shift) set like @Maru above I get
short press- SOI MFD-FOV
hold- DX shift
double tab then hold- Link 16 display with ZOOM on top
I could not repro @MailMan 's HSD issue

Can you clarify? It sounds like you’re saying you can repro the problem – but the actions you describe are what’s intended.

[drtbkj]

@airtex2019 said in Pinky Switch problem:

@drtbkj said in Pinky Switch problem:

I can repro this
With Stick:Pinky Switch(DX shift) set like @Maru above I get
short press- SOI MFD-FOV
hold- DX shift
double tab then hold- Link 16 display with ZOOM on top
I could not repro @MailMan 's HSD issue

Can you clarify? It sounds like you’re saying you can repro the problem – but the actions you describe are what’s intended.

Sure, @airtex2019 . I can repro the intended functions but can’t repro @MailMan 's issue. I could not get the HSD to do what he wrote.

[airtex2019]

@drtbkj ok cool - in software world “repro” has the connotation of “being able to reproduce a bug”

if everything is working as intended, we’d say “no repro” or “unable to repro”

[MailMan]

@airtex2019 That is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

[suhkoi69]

short press- SOI MFD-FOV
hold- DX shift
double tab then hold- Link 16 display with ZOOM on top

this should be mentioned in the documentation : I was faced to this issue…I found this topic by chance

[MailMan]

@suhkoi69 Those were not working correctly for me. Using pinky button for shift was also causing my radar cursor to freeze up. I switched my shift function to another button and now all works well. Can’t explain why, but it’s working.