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    • Babite
      Babite last edited by

      Running an A10 in a training mission of my creation and once initial positive climb is established I can’t fly it hands off. I checked my stick-calibrated fine. Checked my keys for trim - they register. Tried pushing the “trim” buttons in the pit - nothing. Began thinking it was the aircraft itself so I tried jumping back into my F-16 and trim that - works fine. Then I thought maybe it was the mission so I created another one to test - weapons loads are balanced but it won’t trim out. It yaws AND rolls without my input. Tried changing the rpm of the engines-no luck. Ive been playing with other dual engines but they aren’t spaced out as far - the f-15, 14, 18 and 22. I’m stumped, anyone else have this issue or a fix?

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      • molnibalage
        molnibalage last edited by

        A-10 does not have any auto trim. It is perfectly flyable just after years of F-16 you need lot more skills…

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        • weaselone
          weaselone @molnibalage last edited by

          AMEN, but still, the HOG RULES!!!

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          • Babite
            Babite @molnibalage last edited by

            @molnibalage:

            A-10 does not have any auto trim. It is perfectly flyable just after years of F-16 you need lot more skills…

            So it isn’t modeled correctly then? Im not saying I can’t control it…

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            • Cik
              Cik @Babite last edited by

              my advice is just not to fly the a-10.

              or, well you know there’s another simulator out there that specializes in it, but i might be called a heretic for suggesting it.

              falcon is for falcons, and the mirage. i wouldn’t really try anything else.

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              • TAC-1
                TAC-1 @Cik last edited by

                Its is modeled correctly, flaps are not automatic. manually operated by hitting Ctrl+9-No flaps, Ctrl+10-Full Flaps. Report back after your flight.

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                • molnibalage
                  molnibalage @Babite last edited by

                  @Babite:

                  So it isn’t modeled correctly then? Im not saying I can’t control it…

                  I do not understand your question. I do not know how accurate the non FBW control code part and (A)FM data but they are functional.

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                  • Metalhead
                    Metalhead @molnibalage last edited by

                    I have the same issue. I do use the auto pilot to hold the aircraft, and it works.
                    Regards Metalhead

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                    • TAC-1
                      TAC-1 @Metalhead last edited by

                      Manually control flaps, then trim while in flight.

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                      • TAC-1
                        TAC-1 @TAC-1 last edited by



                        Everything works, let me know if you want to go for a ride we’ll hop on the server.

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                        • smg13
                          smg13 @TAC-1 last edited by

                          I am having the same issue… the A-10 seems to be incapable most of the time to be trimmed properly. I write “most of the time”, because sometimes it trims properly a bit. Now, this has nothing to do with how realistic or fine everything works. You should be able to release the stick (on a properly trimmed plane) and the aircraft should fly straight and leveled. The A-10 can not do so in F BMS. (And I have checked my stick and key setup, and it is all working fine with other planes, for example the F16 and the Mirage. And I have also tried balancing the load-outs).

                          If someone can trim this plane, please, tell us how to do it. Because I can’t…
                          I think the A-10 in Falcon BMs looks great and it would be amazing to be able to fly it without it going all over the pace like a drunken sailor. And I don’t want to fly the “other sim either”, since I prefer BMS. Anyone has any suggestions?

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                          • Dee-Jay
                            Dee-Jay @smg13 last edited by

                            … A-10 is not to be considered a flyable a/c (understand: not fully implemented for human use like for our F-16).

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                            • smg13
                              smg13 @Dee-Jay last edited by

                              I understand it is not fully implemented… except for the F-16, is there any other plane in a shape to be considered fully implemented?

                              It is a shame, it has a 3D cockpit already (which most plane don’t have), and seems to have a resonable FM… except for the trim/woobly control issue. It would be very nice if it could be made more stable? Any ideas why it is so “shaky”?

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                              • Mav-jp
                                Mav-jp @smg13 last edited by

                                @smg13:

                                I understand it is not fully implemented… except for the F-16, is there any other plane in a shape to be considered fully implemented?

                                It is a shame, it has a 3D cockpit already (which most plane don’t have), and seems to have a resonable FM… except for the trim/woobly control issue. It would be very nice if it could be made more stable? Any ideas why it is so “shaky”?

                                yes, because the A10 was used to test an experimental NFBW modeling.

                                read FM articles

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                                • Dee-Jay
                                  Dee-Jay @smg13 last edited by

                                  @smg13:

                                  except for the F-16, is there any other plane in a shape to be considered fully implemented?

                                  M2000

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                                  • Red Dog
                                    Red Dog @Dee-Jay last edited by

                                    M2000 is not fully implemented either, so according to Dj logic can’t be considered flyable either 🙂
                                    just the F-16 is

                                    personaly i believe that if a aircraft had a 3D pit model by default in BMS then it’s considered flyable, otherwise why would it have a 3D pit 🙂
                                    sure enough BMS is a F-16 sim and whenever you fly another aircraft you will have to accept compromises. M2000 included

                                    That’s a less harsh logic than DJ’s 🙂

                                    Red Dog
                                    Reality if for ppl who can't handle simulation

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                                    • l3crusader
                                      l3crusader @Red Dog last edited by

                                      @Red:

                                      personaly i believe that if a aircraft had a 3D pit model by default in BMS then it’s considered flyable, otherwise why would it have a 3D pit 🙂
                                      sure enough BMS is a F-16 sim and whenever you fly another aircraft you will have to accept compromises. M2000 included

                                      That’s a less harsh logic than DJ’s 🙂

                                      IMHO, three things to consider about other ACs :

                                      • the fact that the war environment is really good in Falcon and does not, per se, depends on the F-16, makes the idea of flying other AC nice ;

                                      • the flight model of other AC will never be as good as the F-16, except if out of the blue, NASA decides to redo another simulator and publishes on it with an equivalent paper as the TP 1538, somebody also gets the EM diagram and is willing to reformat all this into an AFM file, and the FLCS (for FBW ACs) is implemented. That’s a lot of ifs.

                                      • the avionics are and will remain heavily F-16 dependent, simply because coding different avionics and maintaining them would be demanding a lot more time of coding, beta testing, and bugfixing.

                                      All in all, I stick to the F-16, personnally.

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                                      • TommyGun
                                        TommyGun @l3crusader last edited by

                                        @l3crusader:

                                        IMHO, three things to consider about other ACs :

                                        • the fact that the war environment is really good in Falcon and does not, per se, depends on the F-16, makes the idea of flying other AC nice ;

                                        • the flight model of other AC will never be as good as the F-16, except if out of the blue, NASA decides to redo another simulator and publishes on it with an equivalent paper as the TP 1538, somebody also gets the EM diagram and is willing to reformat all this into an AFM file, and the FLCS (for FBW ACs) is implemented. That’s a lot of ifs.

                                        • the avionics are and will remain heavily F-16 dependent, simply because coding different avionics and maintaining them would be demanding a lot more time of coding, beta testing, and bugfixing.

                                        All in all, I stick to the F-16, personnally.

                                        Right, I do, too, but putting aside all the (otherwise well grounded) reservations, isn’t the idea of carrying 10 AMRAAM’s tempting? Heck, even if the cockpit doesn’t show properly… (you certainly know what I mean) 😉

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                                        • smg13
                                          smg13 @Mav-jp last edited by

                                          And was the NFBW experiment sucessful (besides the woobliness)???

                                          Is it possible to make an alternate “not-as-real”, “still-basically-F-16” FM for the A-10?

                                          Of course, it is obvious, that BMS’ FMs are just modifications to the F-16’s FM. All the other planes are just F-16 in different costumes. Is there really anyone with the skills and time and resources to make new, F-16 free, FMs for BMS? Probably not.

                                          But even within this limitation, an A-10 FM would come out good enought in comparition to 90% of other combat flight simulators (I can only think of one that is probably better for the A-10’s FM…). The combat enviroment of BMS is a great opportunity to fly A-10 type of missions.

                                          The only issue I see with the A-10 (besides the experimental NFBW FM) is the fact that wingmen can not use the Avenger gun against ground targets. And even then, I still would love to fly the A-10 in BMS if it could be made a bit more stable.

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                                          • Dee-Jay
                                            Dee-Jay @smg13 last edited by

                                            The combat enviroment of BMS is a great opportunity to fly A-10 type of missions.

                                            Yep sure … but I just wonder (?) what is the benefit of working on A-10 and flying A-10 instead of the regular F-16 which is able to do the same task int this environment.

                                            The only issue I see with the A-10 (besides the experimental NFBW FM) is the fact that wingmen can not use the Avenger gun against ground targets. And even then, I still would love to fly the A-10 in BMS if it could be made a bit more stable.

                                            AIs can’t do ground straff. Not only A-10 wingman but all other a/c type also.

                                            “Everything” is possible … but the question is: Do you really want the 3 - 4 week becomes 6 - 8 weeks? This is a question of resources and risks of new bug, more fixes … more Btest, more delays …

                                            In any case … you will be to be patient. Maybe the A-10 will (perhaps someday) fly better, but A-10 is not the priority.

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